On Sat Jul 16 12:14:00 2022, boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

I hear people say that, but in my observations, it's not jut BMW drivers. It seems drivers of any luxury (or other high-end) vehicle, and
trucks, are far less likely to use their turn signals than other drivers. I'm not sure what it is about those particular types of vehicles, but drivers not using their turn signals is one of my pet peeves. I feel like it's like they feel entitled and think they don't need to alert other people about what they're going to do.

Probably because they are up themselves. People who drive luxury cars are seeking a "status symbol" but without having any actual status. All owning that car really shows is that you took on a lot of debt.

That's part of the thing about taking on a lot of debt...but I have an idea that those who need these status symbols are inferior physically and need to make up for it with big cars/guns/other "big" items.


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Probably because they are up themselves. People who drive luxury cars seeking a "status symbol" but without having any actual status. All ow that car really shows is that you took on a lot of debt.

That's part of the thing about taking on a lot of debt...but I have an idea that those who need these status symbols are inferior physically
and need to make up for it with big cars/guns/other "big" items.

From people I know who have bought into this idea, that is not true. They just simply feel they need these items, or that it really, really does mean something, that you've "made it". One vague commonality I've noted is insecurity. The people I've known in my life who have attached importance to owning 'status symbol' cars did so to maintain what they thought were, and probably were, tenuous social links. Fear of not being seen as a peer, when your peers are only your peers because of consumption, rather than shared skills.

Thats why I mean about 'status symbols' without the status. If you actually have status, if you are a successful businessman, a creative entrepreneur, an inventor, excellent chess player, whatever, your fellow peers are your peers because of your abilities, talents.

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On Wed Jul 20 00:26:00 2022, boraxman wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

Probably because they are up themselves. People who drive luxury cars
seeking a "status symbol" but without having any actual status. All ow
that car really shows is that you took on a lot of debt.

That's part of the thing about taking on a lot of debt...but I have an idea that those who need these status symbols are inferior physically and need to make up for it with big cars/guns/other "big" items.

From people I know who have bought into this idea, that is not true. They just
simply feel they need these items, or that it really, really does mean something, that you've "made it". One vague commonality I've noted is insecurity. The people I've known in my life who have attached importance to
owning 'status symbol' cars did so to maintain what they thought were, and probably were, tenuous social links. Fear of not being seen as a peer, when
your peers are only your peers because of consumption, rather than shared skills.

Think we were having crossed wires. For those who have actually "made it" I would agree with you. I was talking about those who have not "made it"...such as those who are as poor as church mice...but spend everything they have on having said status items. What comes to mind are those here in the states who love their big lorries/guns...may be of the "incel" persuasion. Take a look at some of the US right-wing terrorists who staged the attempted coup on 6/1/2021.

Thats why I mean about 'status symbols' without the status. If you actually
have status, if you are a successful businessman, a creative entrepreneur, an
inventor, excellent chess player, whatever, your fellow peers are your peers
because of your abilities, talents.

Very true!

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Think we were having crossed wires. For those who have actually "made
it" I would agree with you. I was talking about those who have not "made it"...such as those who are as poor as church mice...but spend
everything they have on having said status items. What comes to mind are those here in the states who love their big lorries/guns...may be of the "incel" persuasion. Take a look at some of the US right-wing terrorists who staged the attempted coup on 6/1/2021.

No, I understood what you said. Remember that I'm in Australia, so things
may be different here. You can see young blokes with these cars trying to prove something, but it is not as common as you make out. Status cars in Australia are more for social belonging.

Big lorries, I assume you mean pick-ups? Utes? They are used here, not as much, and not as status items. No one in Australia, at least in the urban and suburban and near-suburban areas things something like a Ford F250 is a
status item. By status cars, I mean BMW, Mercedes, Audi.

Poor people will spend a lot of money on a car, but not a good one. It's likely to be a hotted up Ford Falcon or SS Commodore or something like that (unless thier criminals, in which case they stick out like a sore thumb).

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Big lorries, I assume you mean pick-ups? Utes? They are used here,
not as much, and not as status items.

Funny you mention that - I've been noticing an increase in the number of "compensatory" items like this in our neck of the woods. Often parked sideways across 4 parking spaces at the supermarket :-(

Poor people will spend a lot of money on a car, but not a good one.
It's likely to be a hotted up Ford Falcon or SS Commodore or something like that (unless thier criminals, in which case they stick out like a sore thumb).

Reminds me of a visit to a suspension parts factory here in Australia around the turn of the century. They made parts for Holden, Ford, Audi, Mercedes, and I think BMW. The Ford/Holden parts had their holes punched in, then tossed in a jig to make sure they were about right, and then into the "done pile". The Audi/Medc/BMW parts went through the CNC line and were CNC machined & drilled. One of the differences between a "cheap" car, and a more premium brand.


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Re: Re: BMW charging monthly
By: ACMEBBS to boraxman on Mon Jul 18 2022 03:12 am

That's part of the thing about taking on a lot of debt...but I have an idea that th

I see the idea that lots of behaviors are done for lack of self-steem thrown around so
often, that it kind of loses value.

I don't own a big car or a big gun (both are compact and deals which provided their
best value for the money at the time) but I have seen people declare that lots of
activities, some in which I am involved, come from a lack of self-steem. For one, it
shows that people making those declarations have not a clue; for another it gets
tirying.

If you purchase an item or do an activity just in order for people to see it, then
MAYBE we are talking about a self-steem problem here - at least, if it is not a marketing trick to call attention upon oneself. However, I dare say a guy who has a
Bowing 2 in his basement and does not show it unless asked for mostlikely just happens
to like big guns.

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Poor people will spend a lot of money on a car, but not a good one.

I want a functional car like a Kia Seltos.


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Funny you mention that - I've been noticing an increase in the number of "compensatory" items like this in our neck of the woods. Often parked sideways across 4 parking spaces at the supermarket :-(

Oh dear, the trouble begins. Quite a few where I am. Prepare to be tailgated by many a Navara and Hilux.

Reminds me of a visit to a suspension parts factory here in Australia around the turn of the century. They made parts for Holden, Ford, Audi, Mercedes, and I think BMW. The Ford/Holden parts had their holes
punched in, then tossed in a jig to make sure they were about right, and then into the "done pile". The Audi/Medc/BMW parts went through the CNC line and were CNC machined & drilled. One of the differences between a "cheap" car, and a more premium brand.

As someone once said to me a while ago, "You must have a lot of money if you can afford to buy cheap shoes". I'll always spend that little more to get something of good quality that will last. That said, my current car is a nearly 20 year old Corolla, but that thing has been a very very reliable workhorse.

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