• Framework laptop

    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to All on Tue Sep 9 16:08:22 2025
    I've thought about buying a new laptop, as the laptop I currently have is one I bought in 2014.. I've thought about buying a Framework laptop - I like their open-source design and that you can repair/upgrade them easily, but they're quite expensive. I might end up buying a more mainstream laptop..

    https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-ai300/configuration/new

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  • From ZL4KJ@21:4/115 to Nightfox on Wed Sep 10 13:34:18 2025
    Re: Framework laptop
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Sep 09 2025 16:08:22

    I've thought about buying a new laptop, as the laptop I currently have is one I bought in 2014.. I've thought about buying a Framework laptop - I but they're quite expensive. I might end up buying a more mainstream https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-ai300/configuration/new

    That's interesting. I've generally gone with Dell due to easy availablility and they have been reliable for me.

    Frame.work doesn't have ordering available to NZ, though I have signed up to be notified. Could be an option when we need to upgrade laptops next.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    Cheers
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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Tue Sep 9 18:58:08 2025
    I've thought about buying a new laptop, as the laptop I currently have
    is one I bought in 2014.. I've thought about buying a Framework laptop
    - I like their open-source design and that you can repair/upgrade them easily, but they're quite expensive. I might end up buying a more mainstream laptop..

    https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-ai300/configuration/new

    I'm a big fan of frame.works - I'm typing on a frame 13 right now; yes, you pay a premium, AND I experienced some bugs in my 1st generation 13 - but I love what frame.work is doing, AND I have faith that they're gonna make it. Its been what, 5 years and still going strong??

    While the 16 is super awesome and just came out w/ new AMD ai300 mainboards and new Nvidia GPUs, the 13 is worth a look - same CPU just without the GPU card... at some point I'm going to upgrade my aging Intel gen11 to the new AMD ai300.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Tue Sep 9 22:03:08 2025
    paulie420 wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I've thought about buying a new laptop, as the laptop I currently have
    is one I bought in 2014.. I've thought about buying a Framework laptop
    - I like their open-source design and that you can repair/upgrade them easily, but they're quite expensive. I might end up buying a more mainstream laptop..

    https://frame.work/products/laptop16-diy-amd-ai300/configuration/new

    I'm a big fan of frame.works - I'm typing on a frame 13 right now; yes, you pay a premium, AND I experienced some bugs in my 1st generation 13
    - but I love what frame.work is doing, AND I have faith that they're
    gonna make it. Its been what, 5 years and still going strong??

    While the 16 is super awesome and just came out w/ new AMD ai300 mainboards and new Nvidia GPUs, the 13 is worth a look - same CPU just without the GPU card... at some point I'm going to upgrade my aging
    Intel gen11 to the new AMD ai300.

    I'm also a fan - have had a 16 for about a year and love it. I got the Ryzen-9 and 32GB, with a 2TB NVME, and it's super fast. Have not had
    any trouble with it at all, and it's Linux-friendly.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Gamgee on Tue Sep 9 21:24:40 2025
    While the 16 is super awesome and just came out w/ new AMD ai300 mainboards and new Nvidia GPUs, the 13 is worth a look - same CPU jus without the GPU card... at some point I'm going to upgrade my aging Intel gen11 to the new AMD ai300.

    I'm also a fan - have had a 16 for about a year and love it. I got the Ryzen-9 and 32GB, with a 2TB NVME, and it's super fast. Have not had
    any trouble with it at all, and it's Linux-friendly.

    Nice - and you paid up. :P Glad you haven't had any issues - but my hardware has had a bad mic since day 1... however I still support the company and their mission.



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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Nightfox on Tue Sep 9 21:35:10 2025
    BY: Nightfox (21:1/137)

    |11N|09> |10I've thought about buying a new laptop, as the laptop I currently have|07
    |11N|09> |10is one I bought in 2014.. I've thought about buying a Framework laptop|07
    |11N|09> |10- I like their open-source design and that you can repair/upgrade them|07
    |11N|09> |10easily, but they're quite expensive. I might end up buying a more|07
    System 76 then?


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Wed Sep 10 08:30:09 2025
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    While the 16 is super awesome and just came out w/ new AMD ai300 mainboards and new Nvidia GPUs, the 13 is worth a look - same CPU jus without the GPU card... at some point I'm going to upgrade my aging Intel gen11 to the new AMD ai300.

    I'm also a fan - have had a 16 for about a year and love it. I got the Ryzen-9 and 32GB, with a 2TB NVME, and it's super fast. Have not had
    any trouble with it at all, and it's Linux-friendly.

    Nice - and you paid up. :P Glad you haven't had any issues - but my hardware has had a bad mic since day 1... however I still support the company and their mission.

    Well that sucks. Not sure of the warranty policy, but would that cover
    the bad mic problem? Seems like it should.



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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to PAULIE420 on Wed Sep 10 08:59:20 2025
    While the 16 is super awesome and just came out w/ new AMD ai300 mainboards an
    new Nvidia GPUs, the 13 is worth a look - same CPU just without the GPU card..
    at some point I'm going to upgrade my aging Intel gen11 to the new AMD ai300.

    To those of us not as "in the know" :D, what benefit does the GPU provide,
    or what do you lose not having one? Pretty sure my current laptop doesn't
    have one, and I am none the wiser -- which makes me think getting a new one without wouldn't be an issue.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to UTOPIAN GALT on Wed Sep 10 08:59:20 2025
    |11N|09> |10I've thought about buying a new laptop, as the laptop I currently have|07
    |11N|09> |10is one I bought in 2014.. I've thought about buying a Framework laptop|07
    |11N|09> |10- I like their open-source design and that you can repair/upgrade them|07
    |11N|09> |10easily, but they're quite expensive. I might end up buying a more|07

    System 76 then?

    Several years ago I bought a Zareason laptop. Knock-on-wood, it is still working fine. They went out of business, unfortunately, as their pricing
    was more reasonable than System 76 at the time.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to paulie420 on Wed Sep 10 08:22:42 2025
    Re: Re: Framework laptop
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue Sep 09 2025 06:58 pm

    I'm a big fan of frame.works - I'm typing on a frame 13 right now; yes, you pay a premium, AND I experienced some bugs in my 1st generation 13 - but I love what frame.work is doing, AND I have faith that they're gonna make it. Its been what, 5 years and still going strong??

    While the 16 is super awesome and just came out w/ new AMD ai300 mainboards and new Nvidia GPUs, the 13 is worth a look - same CPU just without the GPU card... at some point I'm going to upgrade my aging Intel gen11 to the new AMD ai300.

    Although I tend to like buying the newest thing, maybe I'll have a look at the 13.. I'll probably keep it around for a while, so it might be worth having the newest version though.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Gamgee on Wed Sep 10 18:17:33 2025
    Nice - and you paid up. :P Glad you haven't had any issues - but my hardware has had a bad mic since day 1... however I still support the company and their mission.

    Well that sucks. Not sure of the warranty policy, but would that cover the bad mic problem? Seems like it should.

    IMO Framework support is GREAT - for all the issues/things that they get multiple complaints about. I reported the non-functional mic within 2 weeks of purchase. When I VERY FIRST installed Windows, I saw it - but then it stopped working; th was over less than a week. After installing [many] Linux distros, the mic hasn't worked since week 1.

    Framework DID send out a camera/mic module replacement - but that didn't fix the issue... its not the module, but something else - either the wiring to the mainboard or the connection maybe?? At any rate, I wish Framework would have very early on just said we're shipping out a new laptop and send yours back in the box we provided - but they didn't...

    Our email chains would go on, them asking questions and me giving different replies - and then I'd ignore it for a couple months - this went on for 3-4 different cycles of emails; in the end, there was no fix and no offer to replace.

    So... I do think my issue is an odd one/something one-off - but their support for those issues is/was lacking IMO. That being said, I'm still a fan and I wonder when I upgrade my mainboard if that issue will go away.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Dumas Walker on Wed Sep 10 18:18:32 2025
    To those of us not as "in the know" :D, what benefit does the GPU
    provide, or what do you lose not having one? Pretty sure my current laptop doesn't have one, and I am none the wiser -- which makes me think getting a new one without wouldn't be an issue.

    Well, the new Framework 16 has an Nvidia 5080 GPU card; the 13 does not - its just the APU on the CPU... graphics on chip.

    The 16 is a full fledged graphics card, which is pretty flippin sick!!



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Wed Sep 10 18:19:30 2025
    Although I tend to like buying the newest thing, maybe I'll have a look
    at the 13.. I'll probably keep it around for a while, so it might be worth having the newest version though.

    It simply comes down to whether you NEED a full blown graphics card or not. If not, the 13 is really capable and the new AMD CPUs look really good.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Wed Sep 10 21:02:36 2025
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Nice - and you paid up. :P Glad you haven't had any issues - but my hardware has had a bad mic since day 1... however I still support the company and their mission.

    Well that sucks. Not sure of the warranty policy, but would that cover the bad mic problem? Seems like it should.

    IMO Framework support is GREAT - for all the issues/things that they
    get multiple complaints about. I reported the non-functional mic within
    2 weeks of purchase. When I VERY FIRST installed Windows, I saw it -
    but then it stopped working; th was over less than a week. After installing [many] Linux distros, the mic hasn't worked since week 1.

    Framework DID send out a camera/mic module replacement - but that
    didn't fix the issue... its not the module, but something else - either the wiring to the mainboard or the connection maybe?? At any rate, I
    wish Framework would have very early on just said we're shipping out a
    new laptop and send yours back in the box we provided - but they
    didn't...

    Ugh. It does sound like a possible connection/wiring from the mic to
    the mainboard.

    Our email chains would go on, them asking questions and me giving different replies - and then I'd ignore it for a couple months - this
    went on for 3-4 different cycles of emails; in the end, there was no
    fix and no offer to replace.

    So... I do think my issue is an odd one/something one-off - but their support for those issues is/was lacking IMO. That being said, I'm still
    a fan and I wonder when I upgrade my mainboard if that issue will go
    away.

    Hope so and good luck!


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to paulie420 on Thu Sep 11 09:15:24 2025
    Re: Re: Framework laptop
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Wed Sep 10 2025 06:19 pm

    Although I tend to like buying the newest thing, maybe I'll have a look
    at the 13.. I'll probably keep it around for a while, so it might be
    worth having the newest version though.

    It simply comes down to whether you NEED a full blown graphics card or not. If not, the 13 is really capable and the new AMD CPUs look really good.

    It looks like you can buy the 16 without a full blown graphics card too.

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to PAULIE420 on Thu Sep 11 11:31:23 2025
    To those of us not as "in the know" :D, what benefit does the GPU provide, or what do you lose not having one? Pretty sure my current laptop doesn't have one, and I am none the wiser -- which makes me think getting a new one without wouldn't be an issue.

    Well, the new Framework 16 has an Nvidia 5080 GPU card; the 13 does not - its just the APU on the CPU... graphics on chip.

    The 16 is a full fledged graphics card, which is pretty flippin sick!!

    If you don't use a machine for gaming, and mostly only use it for
    "normal" desktop things -- the most graphically intensive thing you might
    do is watch youtube videos -- is there a benefit of having a system that
    has a separate GPU?


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 11 09:48:58 2025
    Re: Re: Framework laptop
    By: Dumas Walker to PAULIE420 on Thu Sep 11 2025 11:31 am

    If you don't use a machine for gaming, and mostly only use it for "normal" desktop things -- the most graphically intensive thing you might do is watch youtube videos -- is there a benefit of having a system that has a separate GPU?

    GPUs can be used for general computational stuff too; not just gaming. Video rendering/transcoding, and other software that does a lot of math-intensive stuff, could use a GPU for that, which could speed it up quite a bit. And not just crypto mining, either.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 11 19:43:48 2025
    The 16 is a full fledged graphics card, which is pretty flippin sick!!

    If you don't use a machine for gaming, and mostly only use it for
    "normal" desktop things -- the most graphically intensive thing you might do is watch youtube videos -- is there a benefit of having a system that has a separate GPU?

    Video editing, photo editing, Blender, DaVinci Resolve, AI, etc. That being said, I still don't have a NEED for a GPU; a current-gen APU is still good enough for my needs. (The most I do is light 4K video editing...)



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 11 22:06:38 2025
    Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=-

    To those of us not as "in the know" :D, what benefit does the GPU provide, or what do you lose not having one? Pretty sure my current laptop doesn't have one, and I am none the wiser -- which makes me
    think
    getting a new one without wouldn't be an issue.

    Well, the new Framework 16 has an Nvidia 5080 GPU card; the 13 does not -
    its
    just the APU on the CPU... graphics on chip.

    The 16 is a full fledged graphics card, which is pretty flippin sick!!

    If you don't use a machine for gaming, and mostly only use it for
    "normal" desktop things -- the most graphically intensive thing you
    might do is watch youtube videos -- is there a benefit of having a
    system that has a separate GPU?

    No. The AMD CPUs in those systems have very capable graphics built into
    them. I've had a Framework 16 for a year+ and LOVE it.



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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to NIGHTFOX on Fri Sep 12 10:07:03 2025
    If you don't use a machine for gaming, and mostly only use it for "normal
    desktop things -- the most graphically intensive thing you might do is watch youtube videos -- is there a benefit of having a system that has a separate GPU?

    GPUs can be used for general computational stuff too; not just gaming. Video rendering/transcoding, and other software that does a lot of math-intensive stuff, could use a GPU for that, which could speed it up quite a bit. And not
    just crypto mining, either.

    When you say transcoding, would that include a program like shotcut that
    one might use to create a video?

    on edit: I think Paulie answered my question. Thanks!


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to PAULIE420 on Fri Sep 12 10:07:03 2025
    If you don't use a machine for gaming, and mostly only use it for "normal" desktop things -- the most graphically intensive thing you might
    do is watch youtube videos -- is there a benefit of having a system that has a separate GPU?

    Video editing, photo editing, Blender, DaVinci Resolve, AI, etc. That being said, I still don't have a NEED for a GPU; a current-gen APU is still good enough for my needs. (The most I do is light 4K video editing...)

    hmmm, now those first two things are things that I do, so that is good to
    know!


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