I would like to introduce to you my laws #15 and #17 on electronic communications ... maybe they need to be in a different set of laws, but here they are anyway ... both were inspired by mr.Putin already years ago...
#15
"A politician does not need to be honest, but effective"
#17
"Lying is an ultimate form of free speech"
And please, keep your acid-pot boiling...
Free speech means you can lie but lies not ultimate speech.
I've took your answer as "I don't know about victims, but
they say on our TV that the maternity hospital was attacked
inhumanly".;)
Yeah, sure, given you want to go on blindfolded by Russian
propaganda. OTOH, you may take it as "They did proper fact
checks and along the way even discovered how Russian media produced
fake news from it.".
Both sides are lying, that why it is wrong to shut up one side only. And how
can you appreciate the fakes from the Russian media if they shut up?
I've took your answer as "I don't know about victims, but
they say on our TV that the maternity hospital was attacked
inhumanly".;)
Yeah, sure, given you want to go on blindfolded by Russian
propaganda. OTOH, you may take it as "They did proper fact
checks and along the way even discovered how Russian media produced
fake news from it.".
Both sides are lying, that why it is wrong to shut up one side only. And how can you appreciate the fakes from the Russian media if they shut up?
Putin has not learned even after his wars in Afghanistan and Syria
(among others). He does not want to learn and is incapable of
learning. He is a dictator.
At least I can say for sure that occupation of Ukraine has never been in
his plans.
IMHO he declared his wishes about Ukraine clearly -- Ukraine
should stop war against Donbass (which is still be shelling every day),
and become a neutral country.
I say you again -- it is possible.
The people of the former USSSR as a rule admit all orders that come from the capital.
Most country officials submit to new power under the threat of physical reprisal.
Photos were done in completely other medical center and this girl participated before in many other provocative photos also.
I say it once again -- it is foolishess and shame to listen only one
side of the conflict.
Don't forget, that the main slogan of Russia's invasion is justice and stopping the war in Donbass.
Russia is not going to repeat infamous American invasion in Veitnam with carpet bombing, where Americans killed millions of people and ran with it.
The people of Russia now live in a constant state of propaganda.
The government has outlawed the truth in Russia. This is not new
but it has ramped up. Media outlets have closed up (or moved) shop
rather than risk a 15 year jail term for using words like "war"
or "invasion" even when appropriate.
For instance Euronews TV is on air in Russia. As for prohibition -- yes
the state propaganda does it business. But as well as Ukrainian
propaganda prohibits any positive news about Russian side.
In the world of adults it is called "information war".
What the people get in Russia today is fake news with headlines and
stories provided by the state.
I repeat -- the Russian stance is not a complete lie. And Ukrainian nationalists are not sinless angels.
That why Putin propaganda works well.
It was Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who had destabilized Ukraine in
2014. Everything would have been peaceful and fine if that idiots would
not come to power with their nationalistic violence.
https://tinyurl.com/yam46fsy (Google translation)
It was Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who had destabilized Ukraine in
2014. Everything would have been peaceful and fine if that idiots would
not come to power with their nationalistic violence.
Taiwan Chinese are not such idiots as Ukrainian nationalists. Its enough
to not provoke the beast and everything will be OK.
https://youtu.be/wgyTjZtILeQ
A terrible war.
But they said in the clip that the people left the city
before it was stormed. But those who is being shelled now in Donetsk
live in their homes. Look at the BBC report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPxDdGePBP8&ab_channel=%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B
%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BBATR
Taiwan Chinese are not such idiots as Ukrainian nationalists. Its
enough to not provoke the beast and everything will be OK.
So in what way did Tibet provoke the beast in order to be invaded by China's
military force?
Make no mistake ... Taiwan is not being invaded (yet) because of the large support by the west, in particular the US.
Ukraine should have been immediately included in NATO and EU in 2014/2015 ... of course, that's with hind vision.
My colleagues are under shelling in Ukraine, I am too serious.
Believe me or not but a friend of mine lives in Donetsk suburb.
Gayday was drinking because he saw dead people in his dreams,
people he killed in civil war. That's why he was drinking a lot.
When people drink a lot they see even green devils. ;-)
I don't like Erog Gaydar because people for him were like cattle. For
this reason he invented his famous economic chocking therapy. In China
reforms were slow and checked, and they gained success. In Russia the
reforms were tantamount to a catastrophe for all industry and most
people, well, except Muscovites. ;)
And now Kharkiv is paying a price. Beeing destroyed by Russians
who are "protecting Russians".
I wish I could know whom the people of Kharkov are now afraid more -- their protectors or their defenders. ;-)
Taiwan Chinese are not such idiots as Ukrainian nationalists. Its
enough to not provoke the beast and everything will be OK.
At least I can say for sure that occupation of Ukraine has never been
in his plans. IMHO he declared his wishes about Ukraine clearly --
Ukraine should stop war against Donbass (which is still be shelling
every day), and become a neutral country.
I say you again -- it is possible. Bolsheviks in Russia made a very limited size cope, but had captured the whole country. The people of
Photos were done in completely other medical center and this girl participated before in many other provocative photos also. This story
I say it once again -- it is foolishess and shame to listen only one
side of the conflict. Don't forget, that the main slogan of Russia's invasion is justice and stopping the war in Donbass. Russia is not
going to repeat infamous American invasion in Veitnam with carpet
bombing, where Americans killed millions of people and ran with it.
For instance Euronews TV is on air in Russia. As for prohibition --
Russians already leaving Russia in big numbers, although
we don't have any war inside our territory.
I would imagine that some Russians are fed up with Putin's
empty promises for a properous country. His recent actions are
simply sinking the country back several decades economically.
But wouldn't Russia make it difficult for the average citizen
(especially from the deep interior) to emigrate?
It takes a lot of guts and "enough-is-enough"s to just leave a
whole life behind and leave the only home country that one may
have ever known.
Russia is doing a piss-poor job promoting itself as a dream
destination.
I would imagine that some Russians are fed up with Putin's
empty promises for a properous country. His recent actions are
Yes, it's very difficult to make any plans if you can't be sure about your future.
Tomorrow he'll start new war with Lithuania, Poland or Moldova and economy will crush again.
simply sinking the country back several decades economically.
But wouldn't Russia make it difficult for the average citizen
(especially from the deep interior) to emigrate?
Yes, now it's impossible to buy euro/dollars officially, only black market works.
Strict limits for cash if you traveling abroad, strict limits for wire transfers from Russia.
But you can still emigrate, because our state doesn't want to keep people who are immune to propaganda inside our borders.
It takes a lot of guts and "enough-is-enough"s to just leave a
whole life behind and leave the only home country that one may
have ever known.
Eventually ,people are thinking more and more about life of their children.
And some places in the world (EU, USA) are more stable and safe for them. Not everyone is happy that their sons will go to some new war.
Russia is doing a piss-poor job promoting itself as a dream
destination.
Oh yeah! :)
going to repeat infamous American invasion in Veitnam with carpet
bombing, where Americans killed millions of people and ran with it.
In Vietnam it was Viet Cong who tried to capture South Vietnam by military force. USA was protecting it, like they in Korea.
I know personally some vietnamese from south who were able to run away from
Vietnamese and escaped communist's concentration camps.
The whole communist ideology was a disaster for humankind!
For instance Euronews TV is on air in Russia. As for prohibition --
No, it was banned from air in 2017.
It would be strange if they stay in the fighting areas. As for shelling civilians I would suggest to you to watch video at the end of this
message.
Ukrainian nationlists has never shamed to do such things in Donbass.
Well look at another yesterday video -- it is also doesn't demand your language skills. https://ru.euronews.com/2022/03/14/ukraine-topstory-monday-update
An achievable compromise with Russian speaking areas in Ukraine is very possible if the Ukrainian nationalists not act as a dull ram before the
new gate. Both nations in Ukraine should have the same rights and it is
only just.
You cannot be sure about that. Puting officaly annonced that
Ukraine is some artifical creature, without rights to exist.
He never told the last statement -- you are lying badly. Even if I
don't like Putin I should say it. ;-)
You cannot be neutral country if you have foreign forces on your
land.
Well - look at this in the following way -- no country has a guarantee
is will exists for ever. When gross mistakes are committed by the
state authority the country can easily collapse and separate. And it
will be useless to strike with your bald spot against the floor.
So, to preserve your country you should lead a wise, peaceful, fair
policy for all the people in your country. In this case your country
will be safe and whole.
No, it was banned from air in 2017.
Not true -- in is on air in Moscow in the third multiplex on channel
34.
Could you please ask him why Russia was always against inviting
peace-keeping forces to DNR/LNR?
It because Ukraine is against Russian participation in these forces. Ukraine is afraid that Russia will separate fighting sides in honest.
;)
But not of them spent years killing Russians.
You are wrong when speaking so about Russian Civil War after
Revolution 1917. The matter was not in nationalities. During that
years often brother fought with brother.
In China they invited western companies in eary 80s. They
allowed them to have their own management. In early 90s it was
too late to invite anyone to Russia, it was a bankrupted
country, unable to buy food.
Not correct. Every country who wanted it has got high-tech industry.
My hard-drivers and other computer parts were made in barefooted
Thailand, Indonesia etc -- no reason to exclude Russia from the
possible places for such factories. The problem was in other place --
the swindlers in power wanted to grab the state factories for nothing
and suck from them. But only the state could support such big plants
and they quickly collapsed. No ground and conditions for new plants
and initiatives was created by Gaydar.
NATO was sending us food from West Berlin's military warehouses,
it was a nightmare. Do you remember Pavlov, who was doing
reforms before Gaydar? And his "bright" ideas?
Anyway the reforms should have been gradual and checked. They should
keep the existing industry, but create the ground for new plants and factories. It was done in China.
What are you talking about? There are not both nations in Ukraine,
there is just Ukraine.
If NATO gets involved, it will squash Russia like a bug. Lithuania
is a member of NATO. So is Poland. Moldova (and Kosovo) have
applied for membership.
What are you talking about? There are not both nations in Ukraine,
there is just Ukraine.
Of course you know better, you live there..
I wouldn't be so sure about such statements. If the northern alliance pulls out, a preemptive strike will be launched against all firing points simultaneously. Our missiles are dozens of times faster, and no one has ever been able to intercept them. What are you talking about? NATO has been looking for our submarines for two weeks...;)
If you live there then you tell us. Is it one nation? Is it two
nations? Is it three nations? Is it four nations?
Putins invasion of Ukraine has united NATO like it has never been
united before. I don't ever remember NATO being as united as they
are now. I don't think that was Putins plan but that is what he
has accomplished.
If you live there then you tell us. Is it one nation? Is it two
nations? Is it three nations? Is it four nations?
As least - two. Russians an ucranians. Both is Slavs. Different languages are spoken. And so some have decided that others (Russians) no longer have the right to speak their language. If you say a word - to the wall!
We'll see, we'll see (Russian proverb).
Do you know why the UN decided that this was an internal Russian affair?
You are deeply confused. There are two languages there, not two
nations.
We'll see, we'll see (Russian proverb).We will see, that is a fact.
What!?
You are deeply confused. There are two languages there, not two
nations.
Yeah? And Estonians and Russians with different languages, where Russian is also de jure banned,
are also one?
We will see, that is a fact.
Not yet.
What!?
Be patient and pay close attention ;)
How do you feel that Russian is Banned?In Lviv, one could be punched in the face for saying a Russian word back in Soviet times, and by 2022 this had spread to the entire territory of Ukraine, and by law. Neo-Nazi groups (the existence of which Ukraine denies, but for some reason NATO instructors, who conducted their training, openly confirm their symbols are not concealed, Nazis at the state level are equated with the status of national heroes...) arrange massacres of Russian speakers in the streets. Ukraine has been shelling its "own" Russian-speaking population for 8 years with all kinds of weapons except nuclear, including UN-banned munitions. If all this is so close to you, you won't have long to wait, the "refugees" from Ukraine will make you learn their bird language (if they try it, it's already happening now). Tell tales about Estonia with the Russian language to your gullible Western colleagues, everything is less hypertrophied than in Ukraine, but the goal is the same.
Indeed, pay attention. The general assembly of the UN voted 154-5
for an immediate halt of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
And study the question exactly on
what principles Ukraine is denied membership in the EU and NATO. When you understand it, we'll talk about it.
Neo-Nazi groups (the existence of which Ukraine
denies, but for some reason NATO instructors, who conducted their
training, openly confirm their symbols are not concealed, Nazis at the state level are equated with the status of national heroes...) arrange massacres of Russian speakers in the streets. Ukraine has been shelling
its "own" Russian-speaking population for 8 years with all kinds of
weapons except nuclear, including UN-banned munitions.
The first thing the "refugees" from Ukraine did in neighboring Moldova
was to desecrate the monuments to the fight against fascism from World
War II on the territory of Moldova.
How do you feel that Russian is Banned?
In Lviv, one could be punched in the face for saying a Russian word back in Soviet times,
and by 2022 this had spread to the entire territory of Ukraine,
and by law.
Neo-Nazi groups (the existence of which Ukraine denies, but for
some reason NATO instructors, who conducted their training, openly confirm
their symbols are not concealed, Nazis at the state level are equated with the
status of national heroes...) arrange massacres of Russian speakers in the
streets. Ukraine has been shelling its "own" Russian-speaking population for 8 >years with all kinds of weapons except nuclear, including UN-banned munitions.
If all this is so close to you, you won't have long to wait, the "refugees" from Ukraine will make you learn their bird language (if they try it, it's already happening now). Tell tales about Estonia with the Russian language to your gullible Western colleagues, everything is less hypertrophied than in Ukraine, but the goal is the same.
The first thing the "refugees" from Ukraine did in neighboring Moldova was to desecrate the monuments to the fight against fascism from World War II on the territory of Moldova. The refugees demand communication with themselves
exclusively in Ukrainian language (the spread of which in the world is close t >the Zulu language), the provision of housing and food - exactly demanded in an
ultimatum form. If earlier Moldova was planning to organize refugee camps on
its territory, after the above-mentioned, it is forced to organize only transi
to Romania. And let Europe deal with these thrown-away "refugees" on its own. They could have just closed the border.
opinionsIndeed, pay attention. The general assembly of the UN voted 154-5
for an immediate halt of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
We have very good "teachers". USA, Israel, NATO ;) They had their own
in Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Vietnam, Cambodia... Shall I go on?
And study the question exactly on what principles Ukraine is deniedmembership > in the EU and NATO.
When you understand it, we'll talk about it.
As for why Ukraine is not a member of NATO yet, that's an easy one
... NATO's leadership is a bunch of politicians, not military
people ...
Show me the proof ...
The first thing the "refugees" from Ukraine did in neighboringShow me the proof ... You should be ashamed of yourself spreading
Moldova was to desecrate the monuments to the fight against
fascism from World War II on the territory of Moldova.
such vicious propaganda ...
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See? You don't care about that. The U.S. bombed a peaceful sovereign state - you kept quiet. Were Americans harassed in Yugoslavia? Then why do you care so much about Ukraine?in Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Vietnam,By all means.
Cambodia... Shall I go on?
And study the question exactly on what principles Ukraine isThat is for NATO and the EU to decide, I have no say. What has any
denied
of that got to do with Russia's invasion of a peaceful, sovereign
nation?
You are talking like you have been propagandized for many years
and you have soaked it all up. Ukraine also fought against the
Nazis. Largely.
If NATO gets involved, it will squash Russia like a bug. Lithuania
is a member of NATO. So is Poland. Moldova (and Kosovo) have
applied for membership.
I wouldn't be so sure about such statements.
If the northern alliance pulls out, a preemptive strike will be launched against all firing points simultaneously.
Our missiles are dozens of times faster, and no one has ever been able to intercept them.
What are you talking about?
NATO has been looking for our submarines for two weeks...;)
An achievable compromise with Russian speaking areas in Ukraine is very
possible if the Ukrainian nationalists not act as a dull ram before the
new gate. Both nations in Ukraine should have the same rights and it is
only just.
Dull ram before the new gate? Both nations in Ukraine?
What are you talking about? There are not both nations in Ukraine, there is
just Ukraine.
What we saw in 2014 was the beginning of WWIII. The current
situation is an escalated continuation of that war.
Of course, we all know how that war ends ...
An achievable compromise with Russian speaking areas in Ukraine is very possible if the Ukrainian nationalists not act as a dull ram before the new gate. Both nations in Ukraine should have the same rights and it is only just.
Russia has lost 10 million people, mostly young women of childbearing
age, due to emigration over the past ten years. I do not believe many
of them will be returning to Russia anytime soon.
Tomorrow he'll start new war with Lithuania, Poland or Moldova
and economy will crush again.
If NATO gets involved, it will squash Russia like a bug. Lithuania
is a member of NATO. So is Poland. Moldova (and Kosovo) have applied
for membership.
Beaches in Thailand are fun places to be in times like these.
Russia is doing a piss-poor job promoting itself as a dream
destination.
Oh yeah! :)
There was Sochi a few years ago ...
The USA won the "war in Vietnam" - which is called the American War
by Vietnamese. The problem was the S. Vietnamese officers were paid
in US dollars, and the privates were trained by the French. When the
N. Vietnamese made their final advance, the S. Vietnamese officers
bought their way to safety, and the privates fled into the hills.
A few were able to make it to safety by finding a boat, or climb onto
the roof of the US embassy in Saigon.
The whole communist ideology was a disaster for humankind!
It is the same people, not divided by ideology. Even in today's
Vietnam, communism as an ideology is a fiction.
What existed in the former USSR was not communism, but a cult.
First the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin. One could call it Leninism.
Then by Stalin, or Stalinism. Gorbachev decided not to play that
game any more, and that era finally came to a close.
The Russian Orthodox Church is not banned. And the Patriarch
of Moscow is still allowed to say anything he wants.
We'll see, we'll see (Russian proverb).
Do you know why the UN decided that this was an internal Russian
affair?
You are deeply confused. There are two languages there, not two
nations.
Yeah? And Estonians and Russians with different languages, where
Russian is also de jure banned, are also one?
In Lviv, one could be punched in the face for saying a Russian word
back in Soviet times, and by 2022 this had spread to the entire
territory of Ukraine, and by law. Neo-Nazi groups (the existence of
which Ukraine denies, but for some reason NATO instructors, who
conducted their training, openly confirm their symbols are not
concealed, Nazis at the state level are equated with the status of national heroes...) arrange massacres of Russian speakers in the
streets. Ukraine has been shelling its "own" Russian-speaking
population for 8 years with all kinds of weapons except nuclear,
including UN-banned munitions. If all this is so close to you, you
won't have long to wait, the "refugees" from Ukraine will make you
learn their bird language (if they try it, it's already happening
now). Tell tales about Estonia with the Russian language to you
gullible Western colleagues, everything is less hypertrophied than in Ukraine, but the goal is the same.
We have very good "teachers". USA, Israel, NATO ;) They had their own opinions in Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine,
Vietnam, Cambodia... Shall I go on? And study the question exactly on
what principles Ukraine is denied membership in the EU and NATO. When
you understand it, we'll talk about it.
I have enough of my own eyes, unlike you I have been to Kiev and
Donetsk and 2014 and 2022. And there is no reason not to trust my relatives and friends who live there all the time.
I don't watch TV, from the word go, and I'm not exposed to propaganda.
But I am a party to the conflict, because at least I know very well
the history, including that of my own family, of what fascism is.
Oh my dear ... I don't think in my Fido-years I've ever seen some make such a fool of himself in public.
Quite entertaining, keep it up.
Putins invasion of Ukraine has united NATO like it has never been
united before. I don't ever remember NATO being as united as they
are now. I don't think that was Putins plan but that is what he
has accomplished.
We'll see, we'll see (Russian proverb).
Do you know why the UN decided that this was an internal Russian
affair?
Oleg,
Neo-Nazi groups (the existence of which Ukraine
denies, but for some reason NATO instructors, who conducted their
training, openly confirm their symbols are not concealed, Nazis at
the state level are equated with the status of national heroes...)
arrange massacres of Russian speakers in the streets. Ukraine has
been shelling its "own" Russian-speaking population for 8 years
with all kinds of weapons except nuclear, including UN-banned
munitions.
Show me the proof ...
The first thing the "refugees" from Ukraine did in neighboring
Moldova was to desecrate the monuments to the fight against
fascism from World War II on the territory of Moldova.
Show me the proof ...
You should be ashamed of yourself spreading such vicious propaganda
...
We're pretty much cut out for it.I wouldn't be so sure about such statements.Article 5 makes it 30 members of NATO as one fighting group.
No nation other than the USA has first-strike capability.This is what you so naively and sacredly believe. The U.S. has long been nothing more than a bubble. It loves to inflate its own bubbles, and to burst them with pleasure.
Any madman wanting to use his/her own
Who wins WWIII? Ants and cockroaches. Is that a world anybodyWhat do we need the world for if we don't have Russia in it?
would even want to live in?
Reality. The game of TAG is played by all sides ...Doesn't matter to us, but not to the west. The ball is on our side.
By all means.
See? You don't care about that.
The U.S. bombed a peaceful sovereign state - you kept quiet.
Were Americans harassed in Yugoslavia?
Then why do you care so much about Ukraine?
And study the question exactly on what principles Ukraine is
denied
You'll find out after the victory. If you want to hear us.
You are talking like you have been propagandized for many years
and you have soaked it all up. Ukraine also fought against the
Nazis. Largely.
You only believe your own west propaganda, that's all.
You don't understand.
First there was Ukraine.
Which gave birth to Russia.
1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow
Don't get your hopes up about our national currency.
Think of the fate of your own. As for airplanes - we can't refuse, if
you are not aware, there are at least three civil aviation factories
in Russia. And we did not fly them to Europe because Europe itself
demanded it - so you don't get earaches. On the third day I flew the IL-96, and traditionally I don't accept any other aircraft.
My advice - think about what you plan to achieve with sanctions? We
have been living with sanctions for at least 70 years. And we can
already see the benefits of them - there is no more export of capital
from the country, capital works in Russia. There are no draconian
restrictions on the sale of domestic medicines and products to the
population. And finally take away McDonald's and Coca-Cola, stop
feeding our children with modified GMOs!
Who wins WWIII? Ants and cockroaches. Is that a world anybodyWhat do we need the world for if we don't have Russia in it?
would even want to live in?
You should be ashamed of yourself spreading such vicious propaganda MM>WD> ...
He can't help it. It's what's being fed to him by the state-run media outlets. Journalists can now be thrown in prison for reporting anything contrary to what Putin wants his people to hear.
Today I saw a video of girl who was arrested for holding-up a small
paper which read "Two Words" ... no text, no protest, no messaqe ...
just "Two Words" ... and she was arrested...
In the general number, yes.The U.S. bombed a peaceful sovereign state - you kept quiet.Did I?
Were Americans harassed in Yugoslavia?NATO intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Albainians by Yugoslavia.
Then why do you care so much about Ukraine?I care the same about Russia that I do about Ukraine.
Ukraine was invaded by a bully state.And study the question exactly on what principles Ukraine is
denied
You'll find out after the victory. If you want to hear us.I will certainly hear you.
Your whole press is a big propanandist machine. What did your press say about yesterday's terrorist attack using banned cluster munitions in the center of peaceful Donetsk? With casualties including 20 civilians killed and over 30 wounded. And what about the shelling of the maternity hospital in Mariupol? With the only wounded person in the three photos wearing different clothes and with different colors of manicures on nails, who in the video was moving around on his own, but later allegedly died in agony after giving birth due to a torn hip (A person even in a state of painful shock will not be able to walk).There is no propaganda state here. I will believe you if you tellYou are talking like you have been propagandized for many yearsYou only believe your own west propaganda, that's all.
and you have soaked it all up. Ukraine also fought against the
Nazis. Largely.
me the facts and back them up when needed.
I think you've been speding too much time watching Russian state-sponsored news.
the UN nearly unanimounsly voted to condemn Russia's invasion of
Ukraine, and called for an immediate halt to Putin's war.
He can't help it. It's what's being fed to him by the state-run
media outlets. Journalists can now be thrown in prison for
reporting anything contrary to what Putin wants his people to
hear.
Today I saw a video of girl who was arrested for holding-up a small
paper which read "Two Words" ... no text, no protest, no messaqe ...
just "Two Words" ... and she was arrested...
You know, this is so bad in 2022 I have difficulty believing this is
all true. Unfortunately our own reporters are there and it "is"
happening.
Did I?
In the general number, yes.
Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Russian by Ukraine. What is the difference?
I care the same about Russia that I do about Ukraine.
You don't have to worry about Russia; it can take care of itself just fine.
Ukraine was invaded by a bully state.
Wow! The world's bully state is revered by the United States. And also the brazen Saxons.
I will certainly hear you.
That's not enough. Turn your government's ears.
There is no propaganda state here. I will believe you if you tell
me the facts and back them up when needed.
Your whole press is a big propanandist machine. What did your press say about yesterday's terrorist attack using banned cluster munitions in the center of peaceful Donetsk? With casualties including 20 civilians killed and over 30 wounded. And what about the shelling of the maternity hospital in Mariupol?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KReBo6bq5e0
We have black market already. But those factories cannot do
anything without EU's supplies.
We cannot produce IL-96 anymore and it was VERY expensive to
opperate. Who is gonna pay for that?
No. We had very different periods. Current sucntions are huge!
We have problems with incoming wire transfers, people are moving
from Russia in big numbers!
restrictions on the sale of domestic medicines and products toNo drugs, people are literally screaming in local telegram
the
channels because they cannot buy required meds. Putin never
thought about them.
GMO? Is it for real?!
What do we need the world for if we don't have Russia in it?Oh, thanks! I thought you are serious. But you are just trolling.
He can't help it. It's what's being fed to him by the state-run media outlets.
Russia went on a PR stunt that was doomed to failure from the
beggining. We can see now that he was not protecting anyone. Not
russian speaking or ukrainian.
He has now put out the false flag about Ukraine and chemical
weapons. I will not be surprised to see him using
chemical/biological weapons as he did in Syria. I will be
horrified but not surprised.
Wow! The world's bully state is revered by the United States. AndIs that what you think? Think a little bit more.
also the brazen Saxons.
That's not enough. Turn your government's ears.What!?
Believe as you please. There is no propaganda state here.
Your whole press is a big propanandist machine. What did yourThose cluster bombs come from Russia. They used it in other cities
press say about yesterday's terrorist attack using banned cluster
munitions in the center of peaceful Donetsk? With casualties
including 20 civilians killed and over 30 wounded. And what about
the shelling of the maternity hospital in Mariupol?
as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KReBo6bq5e0Thanks, but no thanks.
I was with group of people with blank (!) peaces of paper during protests in 2014 when we've invaded Ukraine for the first time.
Were Americans harassed in Yugoslavia?NATO intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of
Albainians by Yugoslavia.
Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Russians by Ukraine. What is the difference?
You don't have to worry about Russia; it can take care of itself just
fine.
He has now put out the false flag about Ukraine and chemical weapons. I will not be surprised to see him using chemical/biological weapons as he did in Syria. I will be horrified but not surprised.
Oleg,
The first is a truth, the second a propagandistic lie which hasbecause of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of AI> AlbainiansWere Americans harassed in Yugoslavia? AI> NATO intervened
by Yugoslavia. Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and
ethnic cleansing of Russians by Ukraine. What is the difference?
been perpetuated for several .... repeat that lie long enough
without any correction or fact-checking and eventually the masses
will accept it as fact.
In 1933 a whole mass of people believed Jews were the cause of all problems. Were they? Of course not, but the propaganda was of good quality and the brainwashed masses believed it ... until those
masses were forced to walk between the piles of corpses. Then
Germany re-invented itself. West-Germany at least ...
Russia will also need to re-invent itself because it no longer can
be a trusted member of the international community. That
re-invention I will not witness anymore because the damage done in
three weeks will take 3-4 decades to be repaired ... unless Putin
croaks and dies...
Russia's economy is about as large as that of the Benelux ... look
at the map for the Benelux countries and wake-up. The USSR crashed because it could not afford the arms race anymore, those times are returning when there will be no money anymore to pay the hundreds
of thousands of mercenaries (that's what I call paid-for military
in any army) and they turn against their leadership ... or just
leave.
Russia's business model will not crah, it has already. It took
only 3 weeks.
Think of me when you and other Russians will fight eachother over breadcrumbs, look at photos from during the communist days and theWhere did you get such nonsense in your head? You say you have no propaganda? And where did this nonsense come from? We survived both the Union and the collapse of the Union (or rather one very clever half-Khokhol sold the country to the West), and another 30 years. This is us. We know how to do it and what to do not to repeat it. We know. The West does not yet ;) so think of yourselves. You should be freezing in winter, not us. And pick up crumbs all over the world. We have everything of our own.
lines of people to see what was in the stores that day to eat ...
and it was not exactly that Krustchev, Breznev, Andropov, Yeltsin
and Gorbatsjov looked underfed ... if you understand what I'm
saying.
I think Ukraine was an independant state earlier in the 20th
century when it was invaded for the first time by the communists
in 1919 or something. Right?
And I suppose you are familiar with the term "Holodomor" ?
I really cannot grasp how certain 'leaders' can treat their people
that way ... it's slavery ...
Russia went on a PR stunt that was doomed to failure from the
beggining. We can see now that he was not protecting anyone. Not
russian speaking or ukrainian.
Monsieur is a telepath?
I wonder when you will be surprised? When you find out (and by whom do you think it should be confirmed) that someone else is doing this to you right now. How much are you willing to suffer on the physical plane to find out?
Is that what you think? Think a little bit more.
The Deep State? It's still the West. We only have bears.
That's not enough. Turn your government's ears.What!?
Exactly as written.
It doesn't matter who invented it. It is important who used it and for what purpose. Russia don't used it.
Thanks, but no thanks.
And yet you didn't say a word about the press.
What was the question then? You only believe what your propaganda (no matter what you call it) tells you,
don't believe that state-level propaganda exists in every country and you
are under its watchful eye. Your propaganda has assigned Russia as the culprit.
A long time ago, over 30 years ago. The sanctions on Russia have not been lifted yet from the USSR. And we are suppose to be goodies and believe in the sanctity and goodness of the West? That's how we can and that's how we believe ;) so far the prices are creeping up in the West, not in Russia ;)
and you are the ones who are denied oil sales ;) Look a your Bidon more closely, with a magnifying glass. How is it - no matter where you spit on
the planet - there are CIA ears sticking out everywhere. And a joint on a joint on a joint on a joint ;) And there's no missing, eh?)
It is a hypocrisy. The US and EU easily support separatism if
separatists are against Russia or the countries who have good relations
with it.
Kosovo, Ethiopia are bright examples of this cynicism.
Separatists from Eritrea in Ethiopia even had cut off the whole country
from the sea -- a catastrophe for any country. But both Kosovo and
Eritrean separatists are in the good list, nobody defended Ethiopia. But
in reality Ukrainian forces had made the same cruel things as did Serbs nationalists. Yes, 14 thousand killed in Donbass is less than in
Yugoslavia, but the scale of evens was smaller.
Ukraine nationalists could spare Russian population and leave the areas.
But they prefer to make weapons sites in their flats. Just because they despise their lives. When they forced to leave a particular town they
destroy all the electricity and water supply for the town.
Comparing it with Yugoslavia I can say Russia has even more reason to intervene in the situation in Ukraine than NATO in Yugoslavia.
Just because the events are going next and Russian people are under attack.
8 years is surely enough for finding a peaceful solution.
There will not be reason for the Russian military to stay in Ukraine if
its population meet it with hostility.
We know well the reaction of Ukrainian nationalists towards Russia, but the reaction of common people in eastern Ukraine is still be clarified. Until
now they risked their lives when say positive about Russia and the Russian language. We will see what they say without threats or pressure.
You can guess that such a massive strike on such a huge building can't
have only one suffering girl. Its easy.
There is no justice in this war, none.
You cannot judge about it -- if your domestic propaganda has shut up the opposite point of view such a propaganda lies. They have now suppressed
all Russian media as in old times the USSR jammed the Voice of America.
Funny shame. ;-)
In Russia it works, for most people.
I don't say that it tell the complete truth -- you should understand me correctly, and western media are also jammed in Russia.
I am against any media suppression. People should know all points of view. Both sides tell some lie and both sides tell some truth. For instance, I am sure that the western media have said nothing about the shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, the day before yesterday, with a big Ukrainian tactical missile. Just in case -- there were 23 killed, children including.
It is because of propaganda -- in Russia now there are more than 2
millions of refugees from Ukraine, including more than 200 thousand from
the last events.
I just read an article in the washigton post from 2019 that 20% of
the population in Russia want to leave with Germany and the USA
being the places to go. I wonder what the situation is in 2022?
;-) The poll was in a Navalny headquarter or in the Russia province?
Do you think that it is possible for Ukraine to live as Canada, as a bilingual state?
46% of Ukraine people speak Russian at home. Why try to make them speak Ukrainian?
You know probably well that language can be learnt well only if you use it constantly.
The real horror to me is that there are hundreds of thousands, millions ready to execute his orders instantly as coming from a divine being.
There is a book about this period in Nazism "Hitler's willing executioners" .. >without the willing it does not work in Russia either. Therefor any solution i >the long run will be when today's ruling generation expires and I will not liv
to see that ...
You can see better from Europe how we live here. You are not the ones who have been bombed every day and at night for eight years.
What business model? What's going on in your heads? We don't even have higher grocery prices in the stores.
On 16/03/2022 08:18, Mike Miller : Ward Dossche wrote: ON>>>I know you want me to be all like "rabble rabble, Fox News is the only true source of news! Rabble rabble"
The first thing the "refugees" from Ukraine did in neighboring
ON>>> Moldova was to desecrate the monuments to the fight
against ON>>> fascism from World War II on the territory of
Moldova. WD>> Show me the proof ... WD>> You should be
ashamed of yourself spreading such vicious propaganda WD>> ...
He can't help it. It's what's being fed to him by theWhere does your news come from?
state-run media outlets.
Show us the proof of that ...
The problem is that the Russian government cannot redeem the dollar-denominated coupons of its dollar-denominated debt as a
result of international sanctions without draining its foreign
exchange reserves, which are largely frozen. Moreover, the
sanctions make dollar payments by the Russian government almost impossible.
The repayment is therefore expected to be made in rubles,
something Moscow announced more than a week ago. Only that
conversion into their own currency is not allowed according to
the contracts in which the dollar loans are laid down. In theory,
Russia has a 30-day grace period to make the payment correctly,
but there is a good chance that rating agencies will not wait for
that deadline to earmark the country as a defaulter, which means bankruptcy.
When a country defaults on its payments, collapse and economical
chaos follow.
Welcome to the real word, but please keep entertaining us
I do not suffer propaganda.
It is more, I was being nice.
The Deep State? It's still the West. We only have bears.We have plenty of bears also but that is not the issue.
You have written nothing.
Russia did use it, just as they did in Syria.
I had a quick look and did some translation and it became clear itThanks, but no thanks.And yet you didn't say a word about the press.
was propagana. I don't consume the stuff.
I believe the facts.
In the case of using cluster bombs on civilians yes, Russia has
used them on civilians and has used them in Ukraine.
A long time ago, over 30 years ago. The sanctions on Russia haveThe latest round of sanctions are on Putin and his oligarchs
not been lifted yet from the USSR. And we are suppose to be
goodies and believe in the sanctity and goodness of the West?
That's how we can and that's how we believe ;) so far the prices
are creeping up in the West, not in Russia ;)
directly. They are not designed to impact everyday Russian people
(who could care less about any of this). It is my hope that the
impact on regular folks will be minimal.
I was watching a video from a russian vlogger earlier today who
went out with his camera and did some shopping. His costs for day
to day shopping had increased around 30%. Your milage may vary.
If I could have my way there would be better/closer relations
between the west and Russia. Do you think that the average
Canadian or American is against you. They are not. They spend
there free time spending time with family and friends and
international relations are hardly thought of.
In the case of your war with Ukraine they are against you. Not
because you are an enemy but because you invaded a peaceful
sovereign nation. It was peaceful there before Russia invaded.
For that matter the whole world is against you (excepting the
usual suspects) and your war. The EU and NATO are now more united
than ever. This is what your war has accomplished.
We have black market already. But those factories cannot do
anything without EU's supplies.
You know better than that...
We cannot produce IL-96 anymore and it was VERY expensive to
opperate. Who is gonna pay for that?
A completely different transport has been prepared especially for you
;)
No. We had very different periods. Current sucntions are huge!
Personally for you. We tried to.
We have problems with incoming wire transfers, people are moving
from Russia in big numbers!
Russia has a moratorium on the death penalty ;) That leaves the
patriots.
No drugs, people are literally screaming in local telegram
channels because they cannot buy required meds. Putin never
thought about them.
People do not yet know other names than the promoted brand names from Western pharma moguls. Google, Facebook, and Instagram have been
blocked, but they haven't learned how to use the Internet.
GMO? Is it for real?!
We also have bears walking the streets without muzzles and carrying nuclear machine guns.
Why is that? We will strike first, don't doubt it. You want it so
badly - how can you refuse?
Well, I've read it -- Putin didn't say that Ukraine has no right to
exist.
Sounds like you don't listen carefully to your president.
Read it yourselves or give me the citation.
Only in Moscow, it's banned in rest of Russia in 2017. And the
only reason it's there - because our state is a shareholder.
And in Moscow region at least. 20 million people.
actually part of the conflict. And Russia never wanted this
conflict to stop, that's why it never allowed any external
forces.
I think no one wants war. Russia always wanted a compromise to be
reached and Ukraine civil war would stop.
Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Russians by Ukraine. What is the difference?
Then why do you care so much about Ukraine?
I care the same about Russia that I do about Ukraine.
You don't have to worry about Russia; it can take care of itself just fine.
Ukraine was invaded by a bully state.
You'll find out after the victory. If you want to hear us.
I will certainly hear you.
That's not enough. Turn your government's ears.
There is no propaganda state here. I will believe you if you tellYour whole press is a big propanandist machine. What did your press
me the facts and back them up when needed.
say about yesterday's terrorist attack using banned cluster munitions
in the center of peaceful Donetsk? With casualties including 20
civilians killed and over 30 wounded. And what about the shelling of
the maternity hospital in Mariupol? With the only wounded person in
the three photos wearing different clothes and with different colors
Don't think - it will be worse! ;)
the UN nearly unanimounsly voted to condemn Russia's invasion of
Ukraine, and called for an immediate halt to Putin's war.
If only all the issues in the world were solved by a wave of a magic
wand of the United Nations... No one listens to them, so why should Russia?
Do you really think Russians are crazy?
But. If a Polish plane, for example, is attacked, by law we would have
to shoot it down and destroy the airfield from which it took off. And
NATO knows this very well. Isn't that why the U.S. rejected Poland's
offer to give Ukraine old Soviet fighters from an airfield in Germany?
I don't mean National Socialism at all. You don't know either,
apparently. Zelensky is not just a clown, he is a controlled clown. I
wouldn't be surprised to hear that all of his press conferences after 24.02 were taken down under pressure from several intelligence
officers at once ;)
Yes, even for the culture of our traffic within the country should
change several generations ;) That's why even the generation of young people who live in Russia now - perceive the next 50 years "in exile" quite calmly, not to mention those who left the USSR in the era of "stagnation".
Russia will survive the disappearance of the West for itself. Well, as
if the West simply washed away ;)
Why is that? We will strike first, don't doubt it. You want it so
badly - how can you refuse?
Do you think that it is possible for Ukraine to live as Canada, as a bilingual state? 46% of Ukraine people speak Russian at home. Why try
to make them speak Ukrainian? You know probably well that language can
be learnt well only if you use it constantly.
You have written nothing.
If you don't understand - read it again.
Russia did use it, just as they did in Syria.
This is a lie.
What does Syria have to do with it?
Shall we start with napalm in Vietnam? Or a nuclear bomb in Hiroshima?
You have no other sources than Nazi propaganda from Ukraine, at least admit it to yourself.
But the West persists in calling the truth propaganda and will continue to
do so to the end. Or maybe we filmed this footage ourselves at Mosfilm?
I believe the facts.
Reread the paragraph above.
In the case of using cluster bombs on civilians yes, Russia has
used them on civilians and has used them in Ukraine.
Reread the two paragraphs above.
Even grannies on the benches are laughing at the latest sanctions. Our military cannot have any business not only in the West, but also in russia. They don't really care about that.
People with a lot of money have been lumped together with the homeless in the West. Thereby digging a hole in their economy with their own hands. The West is pissed off, and we are laughing.
I was watching a video from a russian vlogger earlier today who
went out with his camera and did some shopping. His costs for day
to day shopping had increased around 30%. Your milage may vary.
In Moscow yesterday I did not notice any difference in the price of food. We are not talking about 30%. Moreover, the price tag, which previously depended on the dollar, went down.
If I could have my way there would be better/closer relations
between the west and Russia. Do you think that the average
Canadian or American is against you. They are not. They spend
there free time spending time with family and friends and
international relations are hardly thought of.
In that case, absolutely the entire West is now zombified by propaganda. And i didn't start now, the U.S. was just waiting for an excuse. Russia gave the pretext deliberately, and now the whole east is laughing at the west.
In the case of your war with Ukraine they are against you. Not
because you are an enemy but because you invaded a peaceful
sovereign nation. It was peaceful there before Russia invaded.
We don't think so. ISIS is not a very peaceful neighbor, if that makes sense to you.
For that matter the whole world is against you (excepting the
usual suspects) and your war. The EU and NATO are now more united
than ever. This is what your war has accomplished.
By naming a number of independent states (whose exact location on the planet you probably can't show at a glance) "usual suspects" you are not even insulting them, but once again confirm the Western propaganda nature.
Canada is a good example of a bilingual state where people are not
afraid to be fined for speaking in a wrong language -- the fucking situation in Ukraine after the Language law has been passed.
I know you want me to be all like "rabble rabble, Fox News is the only true source of news! Rabble rabble"
Sorry to disappoint, I get my news from many sources and, if they conflict, and I care enough to find out why, I'll dig into that.
Most mornings I wake up to news from The BBC, NPR, Reuters, USA Today, AL-Jazeera, PBS, and, if I make it through those, The Economist, Washington Post and New York Times. (all audio format)
If I'm interested enough in something I'll dive into it on the web.
If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should learn what Russia
says also.
Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.
Why should we learn what Russia says also? Russia is not
reporting truthfully about Russia or Ukraine.
Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation
that why neither of them say the truth only. Western media translates only the Ukrainian version of events.
Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read RussianWe are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.
Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-)
All Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.
If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should learn what Russia says also. Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.
You have read poorly -- I wrote that in Canada people ARE NOT fined for speaking a wrong language. But in the today Ukraine this fucking
situation is reality.
Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation -- that why
neither of them say the truth only. Western media translates only the Ukrainian version of events.
Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-) All
Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.
Can Russia pay his check saying "take the money from the frozen actives
if you want to get money"?
[...] and
Rubles is not a valid international monetary instrument.
worst because that would send Russia's credit rating through the
bottom of the barrel. So Russia must seek a solution, and Rubles
is not a valid international monetary instrument. \%/@rd --- DB4
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Lower, declare default. There is enough popcorn in Russia, we are waiting for spectacles!
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"Modern Ukraine was created by the communist Russia".
where have you seen "Ukraine has no right to exist"? ;=) Why do you
tell so obvious fake?
And in Moscow region at least. 20 million people.
No, only in Moscow. Not in Moscow region.
I live Moscow region, 75 km from Moscow, and I can watch Euronews perfectly well.
About 50% of Russians want war. Do you need link about that?
But you have to agree that reasons for a war are different and a war
can be just?
I have many friends in Ukraine and they have no problems with
using Russian language. When you've visited Ukraine? Never?:)
The Language law has be implemented to 2024. For a while many didn't
feel it well.
Lower, declare default. There is enough popcorn in Russia, we are
waiting for spectacles!
Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation -- that why
Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.
We are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.
Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-) All
Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.
With rubble that is down 100% and with black market for dollars
and euros? Wow.
How would you explain, in Russian? Most in Russia are looking forward
to the dollar exchange rate of 500 to the ruble to get rid of dollars, euros and other Western candy wrappers. Someone diversifies the
currency basket into yuan, gold and other metals, as well as into
rupees and even dongs ;) no one wants to deal with the dollar. The
rate is artificially kept by the state, the real rate is now much
lower. Well, why the hell did the currency rest, which cannot be
spent? Chinese brothers damn it, they dont take it anymore!
Dull ram before the new gate? Both nations in Ukraine?There are bilingual nations such as Canada or even Switzerland. They could print their documents in RUssian and Ukranian and people across the land will be happy.
What are you talking about? There are not both nations in Ukraine, there
is just Ukraine.
Please don't get the idea that I don't like you or Russian people. It is Putin and men like him that I don't like, regardless of the country theyI appreciate the efforts Russian people did for Fidonet and its related techologies. Its just their leader is severely authoritarian. It would be like Biden arresting anti-abortion protesters at the nations capitol.
Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Russian by Ukraine. What is the difference?
There are bilingual nations such as Canada or even Switzerland. They could print their documents in RUssian and Ukranian and people across the land will be happy.
I appreciate the efforts Russian people did for Fidonet and its related techologies. Its just their leader is severely authoritarian. It would be like Biden arresting anti-abortion protesters at the nations capitol.
You are lying or don't know what are speaking about
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And no wonder. I saw on Russian TV US congressmen clapping wildly to the Zelensky's speech -- the man who for years did only those things in
Donbass which led the conflict to escalation. Faugh!
It is a good example how idiots can create a big chaos without even a
good reason.
But surely it is obvious who triggered the events. And I said it many times.
It is wrong in any case to speak about Russia's happiness. But you
should understand why most Russians support Putin -- Putin's stance has
too much truth in relation of Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so strong.
I believe the most important thing in such cases is their scale. If you discriminate one person you can ran with it, but, not millions of people.
I heard that until May Russia can pay any debts from their actives
abroad. Nobody interested in the default. And Russia has small debt obligations AFAIK.
There are tens of western journalists independantly covering
the news with their own camera crews ... the Ukrainians have
other priorities to attend to.
They don't report on both sides. That's why they can be squint-eyed.
And, besides, Ukrainian nationalists would make their faces smashed if
they dare to say anything positive about Russians. It is true even in
case they would want to report some true things.
Putins's speeches and news are different things. It is complete wrong to claim that all things that Russian media speaks are a lie.
... Putin's stance has too much truth in relation of Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so strong.---------------------------
It is wrong in any case to speak about Russia's happiness. But you
should understand why most Russians support Putin -- Putin's stance has
too much truth in relation of Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so
strong.
Putin's propaganda is lies and more lies on top of lies.
I believe the most important thing in such cases is their scale. If you
discriminate one person you can ran with it, but, not millions of people.
Actually, technically, that may be correct, but mr.Putin invented some new truths ...
There used to be a saying "You can fool some of the people, some of the time
but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time" ... Putin changed that ... at least he thinks he did, maybe he even believes himself, but at some point this will return like a boomerang in his face and he will not be
burried alongside Lenin ...
You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s).
The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the
organizers of the Nazi movement.
Oh my dear ... I don't think in my Fido-years I've ever seen some make such
a fool of himself in public.
Quite entertaining, keep it up.
There are bilingual nations such as Canada or even Switzerland.
There used to be a saying "You can fool some of the people, some of
the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time" ...
Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 09:06
If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should
learn what Russia says also.
Why should we learn what Russia says also? Russia is not
reporting truthfully about Russia or Ukraine.
Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation -- that why
neither of them say the truth only. Western media translates only the Ukrainian version of events.
Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.
We are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.
Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-) All
Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.
16 Mar 22 20:55, Matt Munson wrote to Alan
Ianson:
There are bilingual nations such as CanadaSwitzerland even has four <sic!> official
or even Switzerland.
languages: German, French, Italian and
Romansh.
16 Mar 22 20:55, Matt Munson wrote to Alan
Ianson:
There are bilingual nations such as Canada
or even Switzerland.
Switzerland even has four <sic!> official
languages: German, French, Italian and
Romansh.
How would you react to the situation if heavily armed Romaniansit happened in history.
carried out a coup d'tat in Switzerland and began to oppress the
German-speaking population, legally banning the use of the German
language in all forms, with criminal prosecution in the form of
lynching? The answer "this cannot happen" is not accepted. Maybe. ON>And
it happened in history.There are two countries in Europe that Adolf
Hitler chose not to invade. Or even threaten
to invade. Those two countries are
Switzerland and Turkey. The reasons why are
very easy to understand. Switzerland is the
most militant country in Europe, with almost
every citizen armed and trained. And Turkey
was where the Crusaders got stopped cold.
You could just admit that Putin has never told that "Ukraine has no
right to exists". A lie for the sake of truth is a well know thing,
but nevertheless....
PS: The next thing of this kind from the Ukraine side, I believe, will
be a canister with chlorine blown in a Kiev kindergarten.
I have never told it is OK. Civilians who suffer in Donbass, now in Mariupol etc are poor ones. I said only, many times, that Zelensky has
had a lot of time to solve the Donbass problem peacefully, but he is
under control of nationalists and he is never able to compromise. Hate
So you are just guessing that they won't be ok? At the moment
they are hate our country because some of their relatives were
killed:( So we killed them because we wanted to protect Russian
language?!
It is a good example how idiots can create a big chaos without even a
good reason. But surely it is obvious who triggered the events. And I
said it many times.
Let's face it, shall we? In 1940, Switzerland concluded an agreement
with Hitler for the transit of Nazi cargo and, in addition, provided a loan of 150 million Swiss francs. Well, plus the obligation to sell
gold for Reichsmarks. And so it is of course "neutrality" and solid Heroes.
it happened in history.
There are two countries in Europe that Adolf
Hitler chose not to invade. Or even threaten
to invade. Those two countries are
Switzerland and Turkey. The reasons why are
very easy to understand. Switzerland is the
most militant country in Europe, with almost
every citizen armed and trained. And Turkey
was where the Crusaders got stopped cold.
Let's face it, shall we? In 1940, Switzerland concluded an agreement with Hitler for the transit of Nazi cargo and, in addition, provided a loan of 150 million Swiss francs. Well, plus the obligation to sell gold for Reichsmarks. And so it is of course "neutrality" and solid Heroes.
RT is not news. It is propaganda. There is much of that here and it
makes it hard to find real news and facts. I have not been reading
sputnik but I'll assume it was also propaganda. I will not miss any
of it.
I said again -- it is completely wrong to say that Russian media under
Putin control tells a lie only. I have already told you a Russian saying "Strength is in the truth".
Putin's propaganda is based on many real facts and events.
Yes it contains many lies, but it also contains much truth. And you voluntarily deprive yourself from this big part of the truth. And your position became biased.
You can trust Russian media for instance that even today corpses in
Donensk from Ukraine shells and missles appear every day. You can hear
how witnesses tell that nationalist block them from being evacuated etc.
You can learn many things to make your understanding more balanced.
But Russian media are blocked and you hear only those thing they allow
you to.
Does that suprise you also? He got the same treatment a couple days
ago when he addressed the Canadian parliament.
I myself have much respect and admiration for Zelensky. He is a
great leader. he is a polar opposite to that man names Putin.
He is a professional actor, a professional clown, and he knows very well
how to work with public. But exactly his unwillingness to solve the
Dobbass problem for so many years and his policy towards the conflict escalation has led to the present day situation. Very much blood lies on
the Zelensky hands.
Probably Russia saw a good example in face of the US who does everything
it wants in every part of the world, and asks nobody's permission. In
other words the real situation is the following -- if you are strong you
can do what a weak cannot do. Weak parties should think twice or more
before teasing the beast with a bunch of nukes under his belt,
who in addition is next to them. Nationalists in Ukraine, if they were not
so idiots, should have calculated what their policy of forceful ukrainizaion can lead their country.
Do you think that somebody in Ukraine will tell good about Russia to the reporter surrounded by a pack of Ukrainian nationalists? ;=)
I myself have much respect and admiration for Zelensky. He is a
great leader. he is a polar opposite to that man names Putin.
He is a professional actor, a professional clown, and he knows very well how to work with public. But exactly his unwillingness to solve the Dobbass problem for so many years and his policy towards the conflict escalation has led to the present day situation. Very much blood lies on the Zelensky hands.
Putin lied that he won't start a war. Lied for many months.
And now you are blaming Ukranians?
Don't tell me a fairy tale that the Ukrainians tell only the truth.
Who told you about chlorine? Russian TV?
The false canister with chlorine was in Syria and many bit it, and
Syria was bombed. Then reporters found all the actors of the story, "victims" including. Taking in account numerous accusations that
Russia uses chemicals to kill such a scenario is very likely and
expected.
I said again -- it is completely wrong to say that Russian media under
Putin control tells a lie only. I have already told you a Russian
saying "Strength is in the truth". Putin's propaganda is based on many
problem should begin from the time when violence started - the spring
of 2014.
I have to turn it off because I know it contains lies and I
don't want to travel that road.
Everything in this world contains lies. Do you remember a fucking
American lie which led to invasion in Iraq and a million killed? At
least Americans know how to lie very well. You can also remember how
they started war in Vietnam, also using a lie.
-- should they negotiate with the rebels and make concessions to them
or may be Ukraine troops some day will be able to cut their throats.
This winter Ukraine has built up a huge army group in Donbass and it
was obvious it was going to the latter scenario.
No, it is not Putin who started it. Al least, we should say that both
parties of the conflict carry their part of the responsibility. But nationalists-idiots were first.
That is what Ukrainian nationalists started to do in Ukraine.
Ukrainization?
Yes. Well, just imagine the bilingual Ukraine before 2014 and the
Russian speaking population of its east and south. And one day the
power is captured by the people who issued the orders that Russian language is not state language any more, that at every office, bar,
schools should used Ukrainian. I said it before you that Ukraine since
20-th century has been historically divided in two parts. And to
preserve the peace the Kiev policy should be wise and balanced. But
what happened after 2014 can be called a national fascism.
PS: I don't deny that in today's Russia is a totalitarian society. So Russians in Ukraine have had a poor choice.
good reason. But surely it is obvious who triggered the
events. And I said it many times.
Putin.
Or maybe it was tongue-tied Yanukovich who could not explain understandably why he had postponed the association Ukraine with EU?
;-)
Here's a real fact and event. Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24
2022. It has since then attacked the country as a whole and done
vast amounts of damage and killed and injured many (I can't be sure
of the actual numbers). More than 3,300,000 refugees, 600,000
displaced people.
The above is truth, fact. How does that compare to what you get on
state media?
If you want to know the background of the event you must listen both
parties; what they say the reason and history of the conflict.
Not knowing it it is impossible to do adequate conclusions. The Donbass
siege (the core of the events) has been lasting for 8 years and
wonderfully there was no place for it in western media. To be exactly,
it repeated everything that Kiev claimed. Nobody paid attention to 14 thousand people killed in Donbass by Ukrainian troops etc. In short it
was and is a very serious problem, and people of Donbass have suffered greatly.
Doing this invasion Putin in many ways has discredited this suffering
and actually made Russians guilty everywhere, although it is the case.
So I repeat -- don't mix the problem of the civil war in Ukraine with
Putin and his thoughtless actions. The beginning the solving of the
problem should begin from the time when violence started - the spring of 2014.
Everything in this world contains lies.
Do you remember a fucking American lie which led to invasion in Iraq and a million killed? At least Americans know how to lie very well.
Did Zelensky create the problems in the Donbass?
Yes, of course.
I have already told you about great Ukrainian suffering,
on the verge of bloody diarrhea -- nor Poroshenko (was before Zelensky)
nor Zelensky could not decide what to do with Donbass -- should they negotiate with the rebels and make concessions to them or may be Ukraine troops some day will be able to cut their throats. This winter Ukraine
has built up a huge army group in Donbass and it was obvious it was
going to the latter scenario.
The blood for this war in on Putins hands and those military
leaders who started and continue the war.
No, it is not Putin who started it.
Al least, we should say that both parties of the conflict carry their part
of the responsibility. But nationalists-idiots were first.
This is fascism.
It's life.
Even in a kindergarten the relations between strong and weak
are similar. In addition, the word "fascism" everybody interprets as he wishes, often incorrectly. Fascism is when a small violent group wanted
to make people to do things they order, threatening with reprisals,
physical violence etc. All the opponents are labelled as enemies and
they are subjects for repressions or even elimination. That is what
Ukrainian nationalists started to do in Ukraine.
Ukrainization?
Yes. Well,
just imagine the bilingual Ukraine before 2014 and the
Russian speaking population of its east and south. And one day the power
is captured by the people who issued the orders that Russian language is
not state language any more, that at every office, bar, schools should
used Ukrainian. I said it before you that Ukraine since 20-th century
has been historically divided in two parts. And to preserve the peace
the Kiev policy should be wise and balanced. But what happened after
2014 can be called a national fascism.
PS: I don't deny that in today's Russia is a totalitarian society. So Russians in Ukraine have had a poor choice.
It was not a lie, BTW. All investigation stories tells us that
US made a mistake and it was officially recognized. Putin will
never tell you he was wrong.
It was a Lie, at the Goebbels' level. As for an investigation, yea,
maybe in some time in Russia also will be some investigation. ;-)
War in Virtnam started long before americans were involded and
it wasn't a lie.
The matter is not in the Vietnam war, but in the American invasion and
its false, fabricated pretext.
It was impossible to do so because they were and still are under
direct control of Russia. They are just puppets. You do not talk
to puppets.
You are a strange person -- why Ukraine is not under EU control and
It was obvious that Russia will invade. For Baiden, not for me.
Putin was lying and Baiden ws not.
It's very probably that Putin's plan was ready two month ago before,
and Ukraine was perfectly aware of it. It was pretty much time to
I said it many times -- Crimea had fallen on Putin's head by itself,
it just had no other choice. Only nationalists in Kiev could be blamed that a whole Crimea population had done what they done. Putin just
sent some his green men for some help.
Russian language was not a state language in Ukraine, please
stop spreading fake information.
I meant a language law called the law "On the principles of the State language policy" gave the status of regional language to Russian and
other minority languages. It allowed the use of minority languages in courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine
It was very logical, and it was crazy for nationalists to cancel the mentioned law in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. It was as if Canadian Quebec would be restricted in using French.
Fake news again, current law allows use of Russian language.
You just don't know what you are speaking about:
In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law, the Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State
Language [uk; ar]. On 16 June 2019, the law entered into force. The
law made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within certain quotas) in the work of some public authorities, in the electoral
Well, in my opinion it is totally incorrect, and I fully agree with
Mask about necessity for absolute freedom of information. Trying to be
objective, however, I can note that actions to block western media
are followed the same same actions towards the Russia state media. An information war in a full scale.
Russia is already under investigation by International Criminal
Court.
For instance the US, spat at this court long ago.
I have no time to search it in English, so that's a Russian resource
and the Google translator can easily translate it.
How it was fabricated? USA was sending aid to support South
Vietnam.
They had made a false attack on a American ship and used it as a
pretext to start the war.
Yes, it means that you can use Russian language but have to
provide the same level of service in Ukranian. As in Russia
right now. The same law.
Russia is not a bilingual country as Ukraine. It is not applicable to Russia.
Mask's Starlink is illegal in Russia.
Even with Russian internet VPN browsers help to get any information of
the Internet.
objective, however, I can note that actions to block
western media are followed the same same actions towards
the Russia state media. An information war in a full scale.
No, not a single website of Russian media is blocked in USA or
Belgium. Plese check you sources before such incorrect posts.
https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/rt-ban-roku-apple-directv
Some regions of Russia are bilingual (in some of them Russians
are minority) but language laws in Russia are very strict.
Russian is the only approved language for any official
communications.
Problems are differ from each other by their scale. Small problems
nobody notice.
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