• Mad Vlad's war crimes

    From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Mon Mar 14 09:56:27 2022
    Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message from 13.03.2022 22:42

    BF> BTW, what's the kill score so far?
    BF> Children living in Ukraine: 280
    BF> Children living in Russia: 0

    Well how many children were in those 14 thousand killed in Donbass by Ukrainian troops? Thousands probably. What is going on is just a logical continuation of the war started in 2014. The main blame should be put on
    those who didn't want to make peace for these 8 years. They probably
    hoped to cut the rebels throats and get bingo.

    What has changed? Well, for 8 years has suffered those who lived in
    Donbass. Now many Ukrainians themselves feel the same horror. Probably
    it makes to understand what horror they did in Donbass.

    PS: And I repeat again and again, I consider Putin's operation as crazy
    and unclever. But I just say to you again -- try not dissolve the reason
    of the conflict in Ukraine in the person of Putin.

    Bye, Bj?rn!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Mar 14 10:40:55 2022
    Well how many children were in those 14 thousand killed in Donbass by Ukrainian troops? Thousands probably.

    WOW! Do you really believe that?



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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Mon Mar 14 13:27:48 2022
    Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message from 14.03.2022 12:40

    ak>> Well how many children were in those 14 thousand killed in
    ak>> Donbass by Ukrainian troops? Thousands probably.
    BF> WOW! Do you really believe that?

    Those people were killed as a rule in discriminate bombardments and the
    number of 14 thousand is accepted in the UN documents. So why you don't believe that a good part of these victims were children?

    Also in this way you can estimate how many children had been killed by
    the US and NATO during invasions in Iraq (by ridiculously false
    propaganda ground), Afghanistan, Yugoslavia.... What's wrong with it?

    Bye, Bj?rn!
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Mon Mar 14 14:14:23 2022
    Hello Bjrn,

    Well how many children were in those 14 thousand killed in Donbass by
    Ukrainian troops? Thousands probably.

    WOW! Do you really believe that?

    It was a rescue operation. Where else do you think the Pied Piper took
    those children of Hamelin?

    --Lee

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Mar 14 16:57:46 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday March 14 2022 09:56, you wrote to Bj?rn Felten:

    logical continuation of the war started in 2014. The main blame should
    be put on those who didn't want to make peace for these 8 years. They

    Russia? It was our project, we've sent military aid and people there.
    DNR/LNR were puppet states.

    What has changed? Well, for 8 years has suffered those who lived in Donbass. Now many Ukrainians themselves feel the same horror. Probably
    it makes to understand what horror they did in Donbass.

    So Russian cities should be bombed because our participation in war in Syria? Ukraine had military conflict with Russia as one of the players on it's territory.

    Without Russian's military help the whole DNR/LNR project was nothing.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Mar 14 18:23:31 2022
    So why you don't
    believe that a good part of these victims were children?

    I don't believe that Ukrainians would shell their own citizens. Has the Ministry of Truth in Kremlin told you who provided those alleged shelling weapons to the Ukrainian military. eBay perhaps? Or maybe it is all a DumbAss News hoax?



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Mar 15 01:16:01 2022
    Hello Bjrn,

    So why you don't
    believe that a good part of these victims were children?

    I don't believe that Ukrainians would shell their own citizens. Has the Ministry of Truth in Kremlin told you who provided those alleged shelling weapons to the Ukrainian military. eBay perhaps? Or maybe it is all a DumbAss News hoax?

    I am sure Alexander and other Russians get their news from the
    Russian Orthodox Church, whose spokesperson is the Patriarch of
    Moscow. I posted an English translation of his explanation of
    what is going on in Ukraine, with cited link. It is not a long
    read, and very easy to understand.

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue Mar 15 09:27:49 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 14.03.2022 16:57

    ak>> logical continuation of the war started in 2014. The main blame
    ak>> should be put on those who didn't want to make peace for these 8
    ak>> years. They

    DP> Russia? It was our project, we've sent military aid and people
    DP> there. DNR/LNR were puppet states.

    Ukraine authority has told many times that the autonomy of Donbass and
    amnesty for rebels will never be despite these things are in the Minsk agreements. That's why the conflict has lasted so long.

    ak>> What has changed? Well, for 8 years has suffered those who lived
    ak>> in Donbass. Now many Ukrainians themselves feel the same horror.
    ak>> Probably it makes to understand what horror they did in Donbass.

    DP> So Russian cities should be bombed because our participation in war
    DP> in Syria? Ukraine had military conflict with Russia as one of the
    DP> players on it's territory.

    You should understand a simple thing, that there are countries which can
    be bombed -- like Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan etc, but there are
    countries which cannot be bombed because of their nuclear umbrella. And
    in making your offensive policy you need be cautious in relations with
    the later. It is natural as human relations. If you see a strong man you
    will be polite with him. Correct? ;)

    DP> Without Russian's military help the whole DNR/LNR project was
    DP> nothing.

    Ukraine is doomed as a whole country if Ukrainan nationalists continue
    their aggressive ukrainization.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Tue Mar 15 09:47:00 2022
    Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message from 14.03.2022 20:23

    ak>> So why you don't
    ak>> believe that a good part of these victims were children?
    BF> I don't believe that Ukrainians would shell their own
    BF> citizens. Has the Ministry of Truth in Kremlin told you who
    BF> provided those alleged shelling weapons to the Ukrainian
    BF> military. eBay perhaps? Or maybe it is all a DumbAss News hoax?
    BF> ..

    Especially for you I repeat URL

    https://ru.euronews.com/2022/03/14/ukraine-topstory-monday-update

    Yesterday's shelling of Donetsk with a very powerful missle.


    Bye, Bj?rn!
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue Mar 15 10:57:32 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!


    Tuesday March 15 2022 09:27, you wrote to me:
    Russia? It was our project, we've sent military aid and people
    there. DNR/LNR were puppet states.

    Ukraine authority has told many times that the autonomy of Donbass and
    amnesty for rebels will never be despite these things are in the
    Minsk agreements. That's why the conflict has lasted so long.

    Conflict lasted so long because Putin wanted it to exists.
    Even people who were sent from Russia to DNR/LNR in 2014 to start war they are famous and well known.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

    So Russian cities should be bombed because our participation in
    war in Syria? Ukraine had military conflict with Russia as one
    of the players on it's territory.

    You should understand a simple thing, that there are countries which
    can be bombed -- like Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan etc, but there are

    So you trying to tell me that Putin decided to cosplay USA but forgot to buy enough drugs for pharmacies? :)

    countries which cannot be bombed because of their nuclear umbrella.

    We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan, they both had nuclear weapons.

    And in making your offensive policy you need be cautious in relations
    with the later. It is natural as human relations. If you see a strong
    man you will be polite with him. Correct? ;)

    But you don't have to give him money. That's why Russia now is in such deep shit.

    Without Russian's military help the whole DNR/LNR project was
    nothing.

    Ukraine is doomed as a whole country if Ukrainan nationalists continue
    their aggressive ukrainization.

    They don't have any nationalists parties in Parlament if you don't know.
    So they don't have any political power.

    Try to compare that with Putin's support to multiple far-right parties in Europe. We even pay them and invite to Russian events.
    Or is it "another story"? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Oleg Nazaroff on Tue Mar 15 15:23:21 2022
    //Hello Oleg,//

    on *15.03.22* at *16:22:35* You wrote in Area *FIDONEWS*
    to *Ward Dossche* about *"Re: Ukraine National Anthem"*.

    What, exactly, are we talking about in Russia's war with the West? Where is the neutral, unbiased coverage of the conflict? Or have you not known what was going on since 2004?

    Well, 140 nations in the UN essentially decided that what you are spreading here is repeating pure propaganda created to stage a war.

    Unlike in russia, in most other countries on the planet it is perfectly legal to have different opinions on that war. Interestingly, we do not see journalists from other countries uncovering "the shocking truth of western lies". Instead we see russias former friends in the west (particularly also left-wing journalists) turning away in disgust. Start thinking!

    BTW: yes, like in most other countries (particularly also in russia), there are some nazis in the Ukraine (was that 2% at last election or 0.2%?). But certainly the jewisch comedian leading the state isnt one as are not almost all of the other people living there. *Putin just needed an excuse to slaughter your brothers to take land.*

    Currently, millions of refugees from Ukraine are already arriving in western europe. Actually, millions alone in Poland. Why do you think these people dont go to Russia to escape from the nazi massacres?

    In case you didnt notice. THE WORLD has turned from russia. Putin has already completely destroyed your countrys future. Your money is now wortless, nobody wants to buy russian goods anymore, you will not get replacement parts for anything high tech (say goodbye to your passenger planes) ...

    My advice is go out of the door and think about what changes you probably already see in Russias everday life.

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Mar 15 21:28:02 2022
    ண ६窠, Tim Schattkowsky.
    ᠫ 15.03.22 15:23:

    Well, 140 nations in the UN essentially decided that

    The UN has "solved", condemned and banned many things, such as the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. How was it solved, do you know? Reservations with a 10-meter wall, barbed wire and machine gunners on towers. That was no solution - they took away the fertile land and spit on the 140 nations from a high bell tower.

    When journalists from other countries want to cover the "shocking truth about Western lies," they will do so. So far, we haven't even seen that desire - the culprit has already been identified.

    I fear the West will start thinking too late for itself. Borrell had the nerve to allow some common sense thoughts, but who would listen to him.

    You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

    Ukraine was so eager to get into Europe. Dreams are coming true! Romania, the Czech Republic and Poland are already beginning to realize who they have accepted. Wait a little while - all the secret becomes clear, you will know the true face of Western propaganda in Ukraine.

    The Western world has never turned its face toward us. It is a mask of hypocrisy. As the master ordered, so you will turn. And bow low for the removal of the mask!

    Don't get your hopes up about our national currency.
    Think of the fate of your own. As for airplanes - we can't refuse, if you are not aware, there are at least three civil aviation factories in Russia. And we did not fly them to Europe because Europe itself demanded it - so you don't get earaches. On the third day I flew the IL-96, and traditionally I don't accept any other aircraft.

    My advice - think about what you plan to achieve with sanctions? We have been living with sanctions for at least 70 years. And we can already see the benefits of them - there is no more export of capital from the country, capital works in Russia. There are no draconian restrictions on the sale of domestic medicines and products to the population. And finally take away McDonald's and Coca-Cola, stop feeding our children with modified GMOs!

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oleg Nazaroff on Tue Mar 15 21:48:08 2022
    You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

    Oh my dear ... I don't think in my Fido-years I've ever seen some make such a fool of himself in public.

    Quite entertaining, keep it up.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Oleg Nazaroff on Tue Mar 15 16:17:51 2022
    Re: Re^2: Ukraine National Anthem
    By: Oleg Nazaroff to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Mar 15 2022 09:28 pm

    Oleg,

    I have some thoughts and ideas about your statements you made. Here goes...

    The UN has "solved", condemned and banned many things, such as the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict. How was it solved, do you know? Reservations with a 10-meter wall, barbed wire and machine gunners on towers. That was no solution - they took away the fertile land and spit on the 140 nations from a high bell tower.

    The UN has never solved anything but created a "good ol' boys" club with countries that are willing to go to war over ridiculous conflicts. When the US invaded Iraq under George W. Bush, some countries came to our aid to support a lie, but would the US risk going to war with Russia if Russia decides to bomb Poland, Czech Republic, or France, I doubt it. The UN and its NATO component were truly designed to piss Russia off and make a case to stave off Russian incurision into the West. Whatever. No one wants to risk anyone going nuclear.

    You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

    I agree and disagree here. The idea of national socialism versus what Hitler and Eichmann perverted it to become are two completely different ideals. Zelensky is trying to do the right thing but I feel that he is taking the wrong approach.

    Ukraine was so eager to get into Europe. Dreams are coming true! Romania, the Czech Republic and Poland are already beginning to realize who they have accepted. Wait a little while - all the secret becomes clear, you will know the true face of Western propaganda in Ukraine.

    Oh, without a doubt. Joining the EU and becoming "part of Europe" will solve nothing for Ukraine. Ukraine needs to become truly independant before it starts down a sketchy path that could create more problems for them than it is worth.

    The Western world has never turned its face toward us. It is a mask of hypocrisy. As the master ordered, so you will turn. And bow low for the removal of the mask!

    Russia will always be the USSR in the eyes of the West. The West will never look beyond a cloud of their own making through the propaganda spewed during the Cold War and, with the population living longer, those ideals won't die until that population finally dies off (both those in the West and in Russia). Children born in the 90s and 2000s+ see a different world, are more knowledgable, and research. Until the world rids itself of the Bidens, Putins, Trumps, etc., it will remain the "same ol' same ol'".

    My advice - think about what you plan to achieve with sanctions? We have been living with sanctions for at least 70 years. And we can already see the benefits of them - there is no more export of capital from the country, capital works in Russia. There are no draconian restrictions on the sale of domestic medicines and products to the population. And finally take away McDonald's and Coca-Cola, stop feeding our children with modified GMOs!

    I'm not saying Socialism is good nor am I saying it is bad. The idea that your country should provide for itself, take care of itself, and tend to its own matters, is socialism through and through. Although Communism was a perversion of Socialism, Russia could chart its own course and remove itself, once again, from the world stage and become relatively self-sufficient.

    Oh, and I completely agree about getting rid of McDonald's and Coca-Cola. :)

    My best to you!

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Oleg Nazaroff on Tue Mar 15 22:58:48 2022
    //Hello Oleg,//

    on *15.03.22* at *21:28:02* You wrote in Area *FIDONEWS*
    to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Re^2: Ukraine National Anthem"*.

    You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.

    Can you explain that?

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Brian Klauss on Tue Mar 15 16:23:42 2022
    The UN has never solved anything but created a "good ol' boys" club with
    countries that are willing to go to war over ridiculous conflicts. When the U >invaded Iraq under George W. Bush, some countries came to our aid to support a
    lie, but would the US risk going to war with Russia if Russia decides to bomb Poland, Czech Republic, or France, I doubt it. The UN and its NATO component were truly designed to piss Russia off and make a case to stave off Russian incurision into the West. Whatever. No one wants to risk anyone going nuclear.

    Do you understand what NATO is or what they do?

    NATO will be involved in a war with Russia if they bomb Poland or any NATO country. They have made this clear. In plain english.

    Rant on.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oleg Nazaroff on Wed Mar 16 00:23:12 2022
    As for airplanes - we can't refuse, if you
    are not aware, there are at least three civil aviation factories in
    Russia. And we did not fly them to Europe because Europe itself demanded
    it - so you don't get earaches. On the third day I flew the IL-96, and traditionally I don't accept any other aircraft.

    Based on the fact that a grand total of 29 IL-96s were built of all 4 variants of which only 14 survive (3 of which are in Cuba and 3 are in government service) I expect you don't fly much. Such a low production run in the free world is called "a failure". There simply is no market for that airplane, too noisy and too expensive to operate.

    The Sukhoi 100 Superjet was promising, a few mishaps occured until that fiery accident which was fully captured at Sheremetyevo airport, that sealed the international potential of that type:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_DT8dDIugQ

    Brussels Airlines operated several of them and retired that whole fleet because Sukhoi could not provide spare parts.

    My daughter flew Aeroflot both medium-haul and long-haul and the only airplanes she ever was on from Brussels in and out of Moscow en route to the far east were Airbus-320 and Boeing-777.

    There just is no international market for those Russian civilian aircraft and Russian airlines will only fly them when they are forced to by the government ... they're too expensive to purchase, too expensive to operate, too noisy and bad customer service by Ilyushin, Tupolev and Sukhoi.

    As for being asked not to fly to European airports, that is not entirely true to use an understatement. Your beloved IL-96 was used for a while on the Moscow to NewYork route but had to stop at Heathrow for re-fueling because it lacked the endurance with a decent load. That aircraft was so noisy that it was penalised every time it departed and had to pay hefty fines up to the point where Aeroflot aquired the Boeing-777 which flies the route non-stop smiling and whistling just to avoid the cost.

    It pays to know what you are talking about, but I think you asserted in a very short while how propaganda can poison a person's ability to think ...

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Brian Klauss on Wed Mar 16 04:33:15 2022
    ண ६窠, Brian Klauss.
    ᠫ 15.03.22 16:17:

    The UN has never solved anything but created a "good ol' boys"
    club with countries that are willing to go to war over ridiculous conflicts. When the US invaded Iraq under George W. Bush, some
    countries came to our aid to support a lie, but would the US risk
    going to war with Russia if Russia decides to bomb Poland, Czech Republic, or France, I doubt it. The UN and its NATO component
    were truly designed to piss Russia off and make a case to stave
    off Russian incurision into the West. Whatever. No one wants to
    risk anyone going nuclear.

    Do you really think Russians are crazy?
    But. If a Polish plane, for example, is attacked, by law we would have to shoot it down and destroy the airfield from which it took off. And NATO knows this very well. Isn't that why the U.S. rejected Poland's offer to give Ukraine old Soviet fighters from an airfield in Germany?

    I agree and disagree here. The idea of national socialism versus
    what Hitler and Eichmann perverted it to become are two completely different ideals. Zelensky is trying to do the right thing but I
    feel that he is taking the wrong approach.

    I don't mean National Socialism at all. You don't know either, apparently. Zelensky is not just a clown, he is a controlled clown. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that all of his press conferences after 24.02 were taken down under pressure from several intelligence officers at once ;)

    Oh, without a doubt. Joining the EU and becoming "part of Europe"
    will solve nothing for Ukraine. Ukraine needs to become truly independant before it starts down a sketchy path that could create
    more problems for them than it is worth.

    Well, at least in some ways the opinions at least approximately agree.

    The Western world has never turned its face toward us. It is a
    mask of hypocrisy. As the master ordered, so you will turn. And
    bow low for the removal of the mask!
    Russia will always be the USSR in the eyes of the West. The West
    will never look beyond a cloud of their own making through the
    propaganda spewed during the Cold War and, with the population
    living longer, those ideals won't die until that population
    finally dies off (both those in the West and in Russia). Children
    born in the 90s and 2000s+ see a different world, are more
    knowledgable, and research. Until the world rids itself of the
    Bidens, Putins, Trumps, etc., it will remain the "same ol' same
    ol'".

    Yes, even for the culture of our traffic within the country should change several generations ;)
    That's why even the generation of young people who live in Russia now - perceive the next 50 years "in exile" quite calmly, not to mention those who left the USSR in the era of "stagnation".

    I'm not saying Socialism is good nor am I saying it is bad. The
    idea that your country should provide for itself, take care of
    itself, and tend to its own matters, is socialism through and
    through. Although Communism was a perversion of Socialism, Russia
    could chart its own course and remove itself, once again, from the
    world stage and become relatively self-sufficient.

    The socialism of the late USSR preceded the development of "decaying" capitalism by a very long period of time. Communism is only an idea, not an unattainable one.
    Nevertheless, there was neither communism nor socialism in Russia before 24.02, but capitalism imposed by the West, in its worst manifestations, with pseudo-liberalism and colonialism (and Russia was a colony). Now everything has been turned upside down, not upside down, but backwards, and thank God for that.

    Oh, and I completely agree about getting rid of McDonald's and
    Coca-Cola. :)

    My friends and colleagues who went to the States in the early 'noughties' sent in their photos after six months of eating fast food. The unfortunate fat guys who couldn't fit through the doors were normal, trim guys before they moved. Later it took them years to regain their body shape.

    My best to you!

    Same to you in the same place ;)


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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Ward Dossche on Wed Mar 16 04:36:54 2022
    ண ६窠, Ward Dossche.
    ᠫ 15.03.22 21:48:

    You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the
    1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the
    rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.
    Oh my dear ... I don't think in my Fido-years I've ever seen some
    make such a fool of himself in public.

    It doesn't matter what I look like, it's the other things that are important.

    Quite entertaining, keep it up.

    By all means


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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Tim Schattkowsky on Wed Mar 16 04:40:31 2022
    ண ६窠, Tim Schattkowsky.
    ᠫ 15.03.22 22:58:

    You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the
    1940s). The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the
    rainbow dreams of the organizers of the Nazi movement.
    Can you explain that?

    What specifically? Zelensky's physiognomy? A drug addict can explain it like no one else.


    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/27553031543_1sd1e1xh.jpg


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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Ward Dossche on Wed Mar 16 05:38:45 2022
    ண ६窠, Ward Dossche.
    ᠫ 16.03.22 0:23:

    Based on the fact that a grand total of 29 IL-96s were built of
    all 4 variants of which only 14 survive (3 of which are in Cuba
    and 3 are in government service) I expect you don't fly much. Such
    a low production run in the free world is called "a failure".
    There simply is no market for that airplane, too noisy and too
    expensive to operate.

    And don't get your hopes up. You have very outdated data.

    The Sukhoi 100 Superjet was promising, a few mishaps occured until
    that fiery accident which was fully captured at Sheremetyevo
    airport, that sealed the international potential of that type:

    Forget the word "international" already, and we'll fly between our peoples ourselves ;) we were able to cope with a much larger population of the USSR.

    Brussels Airlines operated several of them and retired that whole
    fleet because Sukhoi could not provide spare parts.

    Sanctions ;) We knew ;)

    My daughter flew Aeroflot both medium-haul and long-haul and the
    only airplanes she ever was on from Brussels in and out of Moscow
    en route to the far east were Airbus-320 and Boeing-777.

    If you exclude the human factor from the causes of plane crashes, Boeing would still be the most unreliable, and Airbus would still be the most sacrificial ;)

    There just is no international market for those Russian civilian
    aircraft and Russian airlines will only fly them when they are
    forced to by the government ... they're too expensive to purchase,
    too expensive to operate, too noisy and bad customer service by
    Ilyushin, Tupolev and Sukhoi.
    Do you really think that the hypocritical face of the West under the mask of a benevolent reliable partner helped the Russian aviation industry to develop? What are you saying, for 30 years we have been told "it's the market, baby. you won't succeed anyway, believe us, we know - BUY our aircraft and no problems!
    As far as I remember, Sukhoy was developed from scratch in no more than 5 years.

    As for being asked not to fly to European airports, that is not
    entirely true to use an understatement. Your beloved IL-96 was
    used for a while on the Moscow to NewYork route but had to stop at Heathrow for re-fueling because it lacked the endurance with a
    decent load. That aircraft was so noisy that it was penalised
    every time it departed and had to pay hefty fines up to the point
    where Aeroflot aquired the Boeing-777 which flies the route
    non-stop smiling and whistling just to avoid the cost.

    To me, Britain is also Europe. The fact that it seceded along with its island is irrelevant to the question.

    It pays to know what you are talking about, but I think you
    asserted in a very short while how propaganda can poison a
    person's ability to think ...

    Unfortunately for you, I know what I'm talking about.
    But if the word fascism means nothing to you, we are more than aware of our own experience. And I assure you - we will walk, but in the certainty that fascism is just history.




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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed Mar 16 09:42:27 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 15.03.2022 10:57

    ak>> countries which cannot be bombed because of their nuclear
    ak>> umbrella.
    DP> We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan, they both
    DP> had nuclear weapons.

    Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to use it.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oleg Nazaroff on Wed Mar 16 10:13:35 2022
    And don't get your hopes up. You have very outdated data.

    My Fido-friend, there are only 14 airworthy IL-96 left out of 29 built. That's a fact ... it was a beautiful design and a commercial disaster, nobody wanted it with Cubana the only foreign company aquiring it because the old USSR paid it for them.

    Forget the word "international" already, and we'll fly between our
    peoples ourselves ;) we were able to cope with a much larger population
    of the USSR.

    Sure, go fly ... except the population will not be able to afford it.

    If you exclude the human factor from the causes of plane crashes, Boeing would still be the most unreliable, and Airbus would still be the most sacrificial ;)

    In that case, move away from it, get rid of them ... send them back to these leasing companies and fly good ol' Ruski stuff ... The only Russian planes which are used extensively in Europe and beyond are Antonovs .... wait, not Russian-made, that's Ukraine ...

    As far as I remember, Sukhoy was developed from scratch in no more than 5 years.

    Gosh, you're good at proving my point ...

    To me, Britain is also Europe. The fact that it seceded along with its island is irrelevant to the question.

    Just for the record, Great Brittain "IS" an island.

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Ward Dossche on Wed Mar 16 13:56:54 2022
    ண ६窠, Ward Dossche.
    ᠫ 16.03.22 10:13:

    My Fido-friend, there are only 14 airworthy IL-96 left out of 29
    built. That's a fact ... it was a beautiful design and a
    commercial disaster, nobody wanted it with Cubana the only foreign company aquiring it because the old USSR paid it for them.

    Oh, my goodness... Have you been reading the Soviet newspapers again?
    Okay, our propaganda works very well. For the West ;) write more!

    In that case, move away from it, get rid of them ... send them
    back to these leasing companies and fly good ol' Ruski stuff ...
    The only Russian planes which are used extensively in Europe and
    beyond are Antonovs .... wait, not Russian-made, that's Ukraine
    ...

    Study history. Antonov is not Ukrainian ;) Real Ukrainian products are halushkas and fakes ;)



    Gosh, you're good at proving my point ...

    It's an airplane from scratch, has absolutely nothing to do with the military. It's just business. You us falling apart Boeings we also ;)

    Just for the record, Great Brittain "IS" an island.

    Nope, i'v mean what i'v written.


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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Mar 17 01:31:34 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday March 16 2022 09:42, you wrote to me:

    We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan, they both
    had nuclear weapons.

    Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to use it.

    So you are agree that you were not right? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thu Mar 17 08:57:11 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 17.03.2022 01:31

    DP>>> We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan,
    DP>>> they both had nuclear weapons.
    ak>> Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to
    ak>> use it.
    DP> So you are agree that you were not right? :)

    Russia has no reason to use nukes unless struck heavily. The same was
    for India and Pakistan. That war had completed with the score 2:2. :-)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Mar 18 00:13:48 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday March 17 2022 08:57, you wrote to me:

    We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan,
    they both had nuclear weapons.
    Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to
    use it.
    So you are agree that you were not right? :)

    Russia has no reason to use nukes unless struck heavily. The same was

    You mean - Putin? Because Russia is not Putin. And he is crazy enough.



    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri Mar 18 09:20:28 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 18.03.2022 00:13

    DP>>>>> We had military conflicts between India and
    DP>>>>> Pakistan, they both had nuclear weapons.
    ak>>>> Happily there was a draw then. There were not
    ak>>>> reasons to use it.
    DP>>> So you are agree that you were not right?:)
    ak>> Russia has no reason to use nukes unless struck heavily.
    ak>> The same was
    DP> You mean - Putin? Because Russia is not Putin. And he is crazy
    DP> enough.

    Yes, Putin.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Sun Mar 20 00:18:26 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Friday March 18 2022 09:20, you wrote to me:

    You mean - Putin? Because Russia is not Putin. And he is crazy
    enough.

    Yes, Putin.

    Russia is not Putin. Putin will die and will drink some vodka with our friends from Ukraine after his death :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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